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Reply on Fake MPD + Real Mahaprayan of One Margii


REPLY ON FAKE MPD + REAL MAHAPRAYAN OF ONE MARGII

Baba

Respected Readers,

Namaskar. Below please find two letters:

1. Reply on Fake MPD by Deveshji
2. Mahaprayan (Death) of Thakurji

In Him,
Candradeva
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Subject: Mahaprayan Vs Ananda Purnima celebration
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:03:36 +0530
From: Devesh Kumar <deveshkumar.....l.com>

Namaskar,

We have always written that kirtan is always better. Kirtan always creates devotional environment. No doubt at all. But we should not use devotional kirtan to mask / cover the dogmatic observation which is against Caryacarya. Kirtan should be arranged to support HIS presence, not to support that BABA has gone forever as it is the meaning of word “Mahaprayan”. Therefore, five days kirtan of Mahaprayan (Death Ceremony) should be shifted to Ananda Purnima. Let everyone enjoy devotional five days kirtan on Ananda Purnima. If you celebrate and arrange same five day kirtan on different dates, then certainly it will not be called “Death Ceremony”.

Baba said in CaryaCarya, "The period of mourning should not extend beyond twelve days." (CC part 1, p.65), Whereas Kolkata AMPS mourn every year between 21st Oct to 26th Oct which is totally against Caryacarya.

We have been protesting against the dogmatic occasion, not the kirtan. Please do not get misguided and confused. For last thousand years, people have been satisfying their selfish and hidden agenda in the name of religious functions.

Think of it this way (examples) Would you like to attend kiirtan when it is performed at a gay marriage ceremony or at one dogmatic temple where they are sacrificing a animal for some Puja. Do you want to attend that kiirtan - in either place. No, because they are simply using kiirtan to cover up their dogma. So a dharmika will not like to attend.

Before 1990, Kiirtans were arranged for happy days celebrations like "Naming ceremony of kids", "Birthdays", "Inauguration of New Residence", "Inaugurations of some business or offices", "Marriage Anniversaries", "Victory days", including Caryacarya festivals etc, etc. But kirtan was never organized on death anniversaries before Baba’s physical departure.

Now Margiis have learnt from "Mahaprayan Day" that kiirtan can be arranged on Death Anniversaries as well. This trend is wrong. This is the way Dogma begins. Baba never encouraged celebration of dogmatic occasions. To arrange kiirtan on death anniversaries is a part of "Death ceremony" which is against Caryacarya.

If BABA would have left physical body in Jamalpur or Patna or in Ranchi, Kolkata AMPS would have never observed Mahaprayan. Their only intention (hidden agenda) is to bring margis to Kolkata and highlight the importance of Kolkata through Mahaprayan function and nothing else. Kolkata AMPS allows margis to visit Baba’s museum only in Mahaprayan function. Why they do not allow margis to visit Baba’s museum throughout the year?

Kolkata AMPS mourn every year which is totally against Caryacarya. If we love Baba's words, Mahaprayan should never be observed.

Baba says, "I keep no ambiguity, I am clear, concrete, conclusive. My philosophy is a complete philosophy, a complete way of life. I am complete in myself...I am like an arrow-- clear, pointed." (Supreme Expression).

Baba says, "Absolute knowledge is the direct message from God...The books in A'nanda Ma'rga philosophy are all absolute knowledge." (PNS-part 18, page.10).

At HIS FEET,
Devesh Kumar
Mumbai


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Date: Sat 07 Dec 2013 11:05:37
From: Shankar Tripathi
Subject: Mahaprayan (Death) of Thakurji
To: ananda-marga-universal-forum-1@yogasamsthanam.net

Baba

MAHAPRAYAN (DEATH) OF THAKURJI

Namaskar,
It is with much sorrow to share with you news of the recent mahaprayan* (death) of Thankur ji which occurred the evening of 05 Dec 2013 in Tatanagar, Jamshedpur, India. At the time of his mahaprayan he was quite senior and respected, having served and dedicated in Ananda Marga.

The shraddha ceremony will be held on 09 Dec 2013. Contact the BP of Tatanagar for more details.

May we all take solace in the fact that Thakurji was a devoted bhakta of the Lord. Certainly he will attain mukti or moksa, accordingly. Baba will lovingly bestow His grace.

With deepest regards,
Namaskar,
at His lotus feet,
Shankar Tripathi


Note 1: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REAL MAHAPRAYAN AND FAKE MPD

Here it should be qualified that there is both real mahaprayan and fake mahaprayan. Real mahaprayan marks the death of any ordinary human being. This is the proper use of the term: To note a person's departure from this earth. That is the meaning of the mahaprayan term and that is the standard way the term is used in Indian languages.

Then there is the fake, or so-called, or dogmatic mahaprayan. That is when certain vested interests try to apply the mahaprayan term to Parama Purusa Himself. This is grossly inappropriate because when Parama Purusa Baba is that Divine Entity who is beginningless and endless and resides always in our heart, then it is entirely wrong to proclaim that He is gone.

That is why rational margiis are protesting; because the Oct 21st program is so-called mahaprayan. So-called means that something is fake. Parama Purusa is eternal, thus for some vested interests to declare "mahaprayan of Parama Purusa" is nothing but so-called mahaprayan.

Mahaprayan only really happens in the case of human beings, not Parama Purusa.


Note 2: ASTERISK NOTE ABOUT MAHAPRAYAN

* Mahaprayan (Death): Many are aware that mahaprayan (death) is the common term used in India and especially in Bengal to describe the death of an honoured or even ordinary person. In that way, the obituary columns of the newspapers of Bengal regularly cite the mahaprayan (death) of various persons of society who died or passed away.

Some may get confused and wrongly think that the word 'mahaprayan' (death) is one extraordinarily devotional term to be used in association with Parama Purusa. But that is not at all the case. Rather to do so is only to undermine the eternal presence of Parama Purusa. That is why no devotees ever use the word 'mahaprayan' in reference to Lord Shiva or Lord Krsna. Because Lord Shiva and Lord Krsna exist eternally. Then there is no question of Their mahaprayan (death).

Those who think that Baba is a mortal human being celebrate Mahaprayan on a particular day of the year related with Baba; but, in the true sense, Baba is Parama Purusa so He is eternal and there is no question of His mahaprayan.

And for those who need still more technical proof then all this can be clarified quite readily by referencing the dictionary. Specifically in the Samsad Bengali-English dictionary on page 742. Checking there it will be confirmed that the word 'mahaprayan' means death. Which is why it used to refer to the passing away of even common citizens.


Note 3: STORY- SITTING ON BABA'S LAP MEANS DIED?
(contributed by one margii)

Recently after dharmacakra, a senior margii was recounting his experiences of having dharma samiiksa with Baba.

He said, "After being punished by Baba, then He called me close and placed me on His lap - I remained there for some time soaking up His love - and He blessed me."

We all enjoyed hearing about his personal account with Baba during dharma samiiksa. When he finished telling his story, there was a call for questions. Various people posed their queries.


QUESTION BY A NEW MARGII

Towards the end, one new margii raised his hand and asked, "How did Baba bring you back to life?"

Everyone stared at the new margii in amazement. There was a look of astonishment all around - people were really shocked to hear him say this.

The new sadhaka sensed that something was awry.

He said very matter-of-factly, "I thought that sitting on Baba's Lap means that he (the margii) died - that is why I asked that question."

This was quite eye-opening for those of us in the room: Through our language and expression we had unknowingly taught someone to think that being on Baba's lap is the equivalent of death. Because it seems that nowadays people only use the phrase "Baba's lap" when a person has died, such as "Let him rest peacefully in Baba's lap", as if all who have died have accumulated there. Many emails have been written this way.


MUST NOT ONLY REFER TO DEATH

At that moment I thought that everyone, new and old, should be clear about the real and devotional meaning of this phrase, "being on Baba's lap." It should not become stigmatized such that it only means death. Because in its true sense, the phrase "being on Baba's lap" really does carry a highly devotional and sweet feeling.

It is just like how a small child sits on its parent's lap. In a similar way, a spiritual child (human being) sits on the lap of Parama Purusa. By Baba's grace this can happen anytime in one's sadhana, especially in dhyana. Such a phrase then should not become  stigmatized because too many people only use it at the time of death.

We should be careful that we do not relegate "Baba's lap" only to the point of death. All these following terms and phrases also only refer to death:

ve bhagavan ko pya're ho gaye
(he has been loved by God)

ve svarga sidhar gaye
(he has gone to heaven )

ve guzar gaye
(he passed away)

mahaprayan hoyeche
(he died)

We should ensure that the same death connotation does not get attached to, "being on Baba's lap." Because the phrase - "being on Baba's lap" - is a devotional experience that can happen today itself in sadhana, and especially in dhyana. The phrase "being on Baba's lap" should not lose this quality and only mean death. It should not meet the same dark fate as happened with the term harijan.


MUST NOT MEET SAME FATE AS HARIJAN

As we all know, these days in India nobody uses the term harijan to mean "a devotee". Whereas 70 years ago it was used in that way. The term harijan did mean bhakta. But ever since the time of Gandhi when he glued the harijan term to the lowest so-called caste, i.e so-called untouchables, nobody uses the the harijan to mean devotee. Never. Because the term harijan has been stigmatized to mean "untouchable". Nobody uses it to mean "devotee", but that is the original and true meaning of the word.

The phrase, "sitting on Baba's lap", should not meet a similar fate. It should not lose its devotional quality and just refer to one's death. That will be very negative.


A VERY DEVOTIONAL EXPRESSION

There are thousands of recorded stories by sadhakas where they use the phrase, "on Baba's lap", when describing their experiences of being with Baba: He used to bless them and bring them on His lap. People should understand the deeply devotional value of this expression, and not just think that Baba's lap means death, i.e. that you can only sit on His lap at the time of death. Still today there are thousands of margiis walking this earth who sat in Baba's lap. And not only that, there are countless more sadhakas who were blessed by Baba in dreams and dhyana wherein they sat in His lap. And still today this deeply devotional experience is attainable by sadhakas, by His grace.

There are so many ways an aspirant can reach unto Baba's lap including in sadhana and especially during dhyana. That is the main idea that should be preserved. Sadhana is a devotional practice and one can sit on Baba's lap in dhyana. We should make it cent-per-cent clear to one and all that the phrase, "sitting on Baba's lap", does not mean death.


RECENT EXAMPLES

Here are quoted lines from recently posted emails on various forums, wherein the writer uses the phrase - "in Baba's lap" - with the occasion of death:

- "We are sure that Baba has taken him in His loving lap."

- "May his soul rest in Baba's lap forever."

- "Let her rest peacefully in Baba's Lap - which she always desired."

- "now he is in beloved Baba's lap"

- "May his soul get peaceful place in His lap"

- "He is now in BÁBÁ'S loving lap"

- "May Baba bless him with a seat in His lap."

- "May BABA accept him in HIS divine lap!"

- "May Baba take him in his eternal loving lap."

- "Please keep him on Your lap forever."

All of the above lines are commonly written in eulogizing the deceased. Of course, it is fine to write like that. Here the point is that this same phrase "in Baba's lap" should also be used when describing one's devotional practices and experiences. But these days mostly it is used in a eulogy and rarely used to recount one's devotional experiences - unfortunately. By this way, the phrase "in Baba's lap" is being misused and step by step the real meaning is being forgotten as now people more commonly use the phrase to eulogize those who have died, and much less so to express their devotional feeling. Unfortunately, the meaning and inner spirit of the phrase is getting lost.


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