Culprit in Future?

Baba

CULPRIT IN FUTURE?

Namaskar,

First margii Kuttiji made a statement about participation MPD, claiming that those who do not support it will be blamed:

"While everyone is enjoying His grace it is better to support it otherwise you will become the culprit in future."

And in response three margiis addressed the matter. Please find the responses by Amrit Lallooji, Dr TR Sukulji, and Deveshji.

AM News Bulletin Moderators

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(1) Here below is the reply from Lallooji to the point that those who do not support MPD will be blamed as being a culprit in the future. - Eds

Subject: Re: Culprit in Future
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:48:26 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo <amrit.la....l.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin


Namaskar,

Unfortunately, brother KK is steeped (drowning) in dogma. He is definitely confused between kiirtan and death (mahaprayan). Vibration comes from prolonged kirtan and not from mahaprayan (death).

Kiirtan, avarta kiirtan, akanda kiirtan, nagar kiirtan are known to us margiis, however, the new added terminology "mahaprayan kiirtan" is vile, vulgar and repulsive.

How dare anyone disrespect kiirtan (BNK) and call it death BNK?

In Him,
Amrit

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(2) Here below is the reply from Sukulji to the point that those who do not support MPD will be blamed as being a culprit in the future. - Eds

Subject: Re: Culprit in Future
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:27:47 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukulsa....il.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin


Namaskar.

In my opinion Mr. KK is under wrong impression. Every Ananda Margi who has gone through Rev. Baba's teaching meaningfully, knows that the spiritual wave is created either by the vibrations of (I.e. Mantraghat of) 'Ist mantra' or the  Mahamantra Kiirtan "Baba Nam Kevalam", if chanted  understanding the meaning and devotion. Therefore it is wrong to say that the vibration he felt was due to MPD.
        
The psychic waves dominated by the  vibrations of Mantraghat and Mantrachaitanya produce spiritual bliss and is felt every where each time therefore it is not acceptable that this can only be experienced during so called MPD function organised at Kolkata.

My request to brother KK is that he should go through all the articles written by various margii brothers time to time on this web regarding MPD. As, it [MPD] is not prescribed by Rev. Gurudev in Charyacharya how can it be recognized as the margii function. It is a gross dogma which no Anandamargii can accept and therefore, for not attending MPD how can one be held culprit  when it is against the code of conduct?

Regarding MPD, I would like to remind brother KK that one very senior Dada Tapeshvaranandaji also wrote something (which can be seen in past postings of this web) a few days back, and I requested him some queries related to each of the sentence he wrote but he could not answer so far in spite of two reminders. This shows that he was under wrong impression like you and now he is aware of everything correctly.

Don't be misguided and misguide others on the basis of dogmatic views of others as Rev. Baba's teachings are deadly against every sort of dogma inside the society.

Respectfully,
Dr. T. R. Sukul

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(3) Here below is the reply from Deveshji to the point that those who do not support MPD will be blamed as being a culprit in the future. - Eds

Subject: Re: Culprit in Future
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:44:09 +0530
From: Devesh Kumar <deveshku....ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

Baba

Namaskar,

I do not think reply to email of brother KK (Kartick Kutti) is required. We have enough emails in the past regarding the same subject.

Here are two for his review:

http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/09/islamic-dogma-came-into-ananda-marga.html

http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/09/history-how-margiis-brought-to-mpd.html

Devesh

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LINK TO KUTTIJI'S FULL LETTER

http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/11/margii-kartickjis-original-letter.html

Margii Kartickji's Original Letter

Here is brother Kartickji's letter in its entirety for your review and examination. The reply to this letter has been given here....




Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:09:44 +0530
From: Kartick Kutti <kartickk…..il.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

I think thousands of margiis attend Mahaprayan and enjoy His grace. Actually I also happened to attend the Mahaprayan Kiirtan. It was really vibrational.

So I think it is very difficult to canalize the flow.

While everyone is enjoying His grace it is better to support it otherwise you will become the culprit in future.

KK (Kartick Kutti)

#2 Re: Bengalism Is Just Like Colonial Exploitation

Baba

Respected Readers,

This email contains 2 distinct sections featuring letters from margiis around the globe.

1. Re: Bengalism Is Just Like Colonial Exploitation by Sukulji
2. Re: Bengalism Is Just Like Colonial Exploitation by Vasudevaji

at His lotus feet,
Ananda Marga News Bulletin Moderators


Subject: Re: Bengalism Is Just Like Colonial Exploitation
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 10:03:35 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukulsa.....il.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

Re: Bengalism Is Just Like Colonial Exploitation

(Note: This is the second letter in this series - a link to the initial letter on this topic is appended below.)

Namaskar.

Kutti wrote: BABA wanted everything translated in bengali first, and then from bengali to other languages..... Is it true? Bhaskarananda ji also believes on this. One thing more some dada says that Baba has some special grace for Bengali language...

There is absolutely no logic or scientific reasoning behind the above statement.

Mahasambhuti Baba utilized His every moment for the all-round welfare of the world (Jagat Hitay) and upliftment of humanity. So how can anyone lay claim that He favoured any type of geo or linguistic sentiment like (Bengali) language. Baba has always warned us to beware of such sentiments that erect walls of separation between people.

I do not believe that this statement is given by Rev. Baba. Rather such a statement is wholly fabricated and propagated by those who want to employ geo-linguistic sentiment(s) for their own interests.

As regards Dada Bhaskaranandaji's belief, it has already been refuted in many angles by the earlier letters written by respected Pandaji.

As regards Baba's "special grace" on the Bengali language, let us simply remember His divine teaching that everyone should encourage and propagate their mother tongue. All the languages of the world should get the opportunity to grow and become rich mediums of expression.

By composing Prabhat Samgiita in Bengali, Baba is showing us that writers, artists, and poets should express themselves in their mother tongue. That is Baba's guideline and chief reason why He composed those songs in Bengali.

We should also bear in mind that in Prabhat Samgiita, Baba is also teaching devotees how to share the feeling of their heart with Parama Purusa - and go close to Him.

Those who are giving credence to any form of Bangalisation and stating that Baba advocated any type of geo-linguistic sentiment are recklessly accusing Guru of going against His own teachings and thus misleading the society. Such persons will face consequences.

It should be strongly condemned and opposed.

In Him,
Dr. T.R. Sukulji

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Subject: Bengalism Is Just Like Colonial Exploitation
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:26:17 +0100
From: Vasudeva <harmon.....ne.no>
To: anandamarganewsbulletin

Re: Bengalism Is Just Like Colonial Exploitation

(Note: This is the third letter in this series - a link to the initial letter on this topic is appended below.)

Namaskar
Hinduism, Bengalism, Indiaism.
All are narrow in the light of universalism.
Vasudeva
Bnk

Note: LINK TO INITIAL LETTER ON THIS TOPIC

http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/11/bengalism-is-just-like-colonial.html

Bengalism Is Just Like Colonial Exploitation

Subject: Bengalism Is Just Like Colonial Exploitation
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:07:44 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo <amrit.lal…..il.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

BENGALISM IS JUST LIKE COLONIAL EXPLOITATION

Namaskar,

Margii Kutti wrote: BABA wanted everything translated in bengali first, and then from bengali to other language...Is it true? Bhaskarananda ji also believes on this.

Eds Note: Respected Kuttiji is suggesting that a discourse originally given by Baba in English should be translated into Bengali and then re-translated back to English and then printed. Another scenario is for that same English discourse to be translated into Bengali and then translate that Bengali into Spanish. Yet another case is if Baba has delivered His discourse originally in Hindi, then accordingly it is to be translated into Bengali which then becomes the so-called original language, or “master” text, from which it is translated into English and then finally into other languages. That is the essence of Kuttji’s proposal. Here below is the reply from Amrit Lallooji.

Except in the case of what Baba has written all other assertions need the application of rational intellect and wisdom.

Just check this out: Baba gives a discourse in English. Should this be translated into Bengali and then back into English? Never. Rather the original language Baba spoke should be transcribed and kept as is. And from there the discourse can be translated into all other languages. About this so much has already been written.

Of course, Bengalii is a beautiful language, as are all other languages. Local languages have to be encouraged and developed and if someone wants to learn another language that too should be encouraged.

According to history, colonialists firstly infused the idea of language superiority and inferiority. Local languages (that of the colonised) was considered inferior. Till today in previous French colonised countries like Cameroon and Democratic Republic of Congo etc the locals speak French and it is the same for the Portuguese colonies and so many countries across the planet that were colonized. Although de-colonised some while ago they still fail to appreciate their local languages. Rather sad!

Margii Kutti wrote: One thing more some dada says that Baba has some special grace for Bengali language…

Eds Note: Here below is Lallooji’s response.

Local languages are the backbone of the people and when this backbone is broken, people are robbed of their dignity. It is blasphemous to claim that Baba chose Bengalii to take precedent over any other language. What is being suggested is tantamount to Baba wanting to colonise the world by encouraging a narrow language sentiment.

Parama Purusa willingly and knowingly comes under the bondage of temporality (time, place, and person) and manifests Himself as Mahasambhuti and willingly accepts all natural laws – Though, in the spiritual realm He has no limitations. Even physically Baba can appear at more than one place at a time, if He so desires. His DMC discourses were given in Bengalii, Hindi and English. Plus in other regions Baba often spoke in the local language. Gracious Baba acknowledged the diversity of His devotees.

Baba is Parama Purusa and in this role He chose to express subtle ideas through Prabhat Samgeet in Bengali language because He was showing us that artists and poets should always use their mother tongue.

NEVER DID HE MENTION THAT OTHER LANGUAGES ARE LESS IMPORTANT.

In fact, when Baba was in another (say Bhojpuri) speaking vicinity, He spoke Bhogpuri and even praised the language for its richness and sweetness. He did likewise for all other languages. And in His discourses He verily appreciates and embraces all languages of the world and states that all have importance and value – no language is better than any other.

That some Dada is saying that Baba had some special grace for Bengali language is certainly dogmatic.

Devotees should endeavour to present Baba in the broader context and not confine Him within the scope of their limited minds. For this sadhana and svadhaya are extremely beneficial.

In Baba
Amrit

#1: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part A

#2:  Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part B

#3: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part C

#4: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part D

#5: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part E

#6: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part F

#7: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part G

#2: Reply To Tapesheshvaranandji On Ex-Wt & Traitor & More

 Baba

Respected Readers,

This email contains 2 distinct sections featuring letters from margiis around the globe.

1. Who Is Traitor by Sukulji
2. After Reading Various Letters by Anand

at His lotus feet,
Ananda Marga News Bulletin Moderators


Subject: Re: More Points to Consider Regarding Tapeshvarananda
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:41:45 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukulsa....il.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

WHO IS TRAITOR

Respected Dada Tapeshwaranandaji,
Pranam to the lotus feet of Baba.

After going through your views on MPD, may I know some of the queries which are given below along with each of your sentence of email.

(1) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "It was a history."

REPLY: I have found some traces by research that Dada Tapeshvarananda ji  went away with defectors for one week, back in 1970: and Baba graciously brought him back. Whether for few days or few weeks betrayal is betrayal. Since you have much trust on history, this history of 1970 may be trusted or not?


(2) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "The word Mahaprayan was approved and introduced by Ac Candranathji, Who was the President of Central Committee."

REPLY: Regarding this, Rev. Baba has taught us that if our forefathers have committed a mistake which is proved by logic and evidences it should be corrected immediately so that it may not take a form of dogma. But it shows that under the shadow of forefathers you want the errors to be brought up nicely like Karmkandi Hindu Pundits, who have invented Murtipuja and many tales with it in order to continue the business till generations in future. Am I wrong?


(3) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Now Those are indisciplined and betrayed Baba, those are not able to do WT life or ex-WT only they oppose."

REPLY: Does this statement relate to you also in connection to the above mentioned point no.1.?


(4) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Kolkata margiis are only to maintain the history."

REPLY: Regarding so called history of MPD I think, due to a few of the Kolkata margiis who have lost their logic have been misguiding others. Is it not like meat eaters who say that vegetarians hate meat because vegetarians are not allowed to eat meat? Or, idol worshipers who say margiis hate idol worship because margiis are not allowed in the temple?


(5) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "It was the history He was biologically present. As He took physical body."

REPLY: Do you believe that Rev. Baba was a physical body only? And since the physical body is gone therefore everything has gone?


(6) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "There is a history, there is a document. Just to maintain the document they do Kiirtan."

REPLY: There is also a history and documents that show that the discourses of Rev. Baba are published by AMPS Tiljala group and they have (a) distorted (b) changed (c) manipulated these discourses while translating in different languages and (d) published fake Ananda Vaniis to mislead common margiis.

Do you follow and support this history because it is established by the ancestors of AM? Or you would like to correct the errors done by them for the welfare of coming generation? Or you would simply like to do kiirtan so that the errors done by these illogical people may be finally approved?


(7) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Those are not in favor of Kolkata or having Kolkata allergy they only became mad near mahaprayan."

REPLY: Do you favour Kolkata because you believe that all the points from 1 to 6 above are in conformity with your personal ideology? Or is it an irritation of being apprehended doing  errors and creating dogmas and groups?

It is shocking that you gave a completely illogical reply. I think you would certainly be remembering Baba's following teaching:

"Where reasoning fails, vilification becomes the sole stock-in-trade. When you hear abuses from these frogs-in-the-well, you can take for granted that the grey matter in their frenzied brains have no functional residues left and that they have come to you only to convince you of their helpless and fey condition." (Subhasita Samgraha, Part 3, Shreya & Preya)
                 
So, Dadaji I hope you will certainly realize dogmatic and narrow-mindedness of your favourites and come along the right path of bliss which has no dogma and narrowness.

Why you have become contradictory?

Respectfully,
Dr. T.R. Sukul


Note 1: FOR CLARITY

In citing Dada Tapeshvaranandji's letter, certain obvious spelling and grammatical corrections were made to it more readable - Eds.

That said, if anyone wishes to see the original letter in its entirety, there is a link at the bottom of this email.

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Subject: After Reading Various Letters
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:38:07 +0530
From: Anand
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

AFTER READING VARIOUS LETTERS

Dear Dada,
Namaskar. We are getting all ins and outs of the organization. As new margiis we were not knowing all these things. Please include my mail ID in your lists. You are doing a great job indeed. Regards, Thank you for including me in your list. I think I will be benefited by your mails.
Regards,
Anand

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Link To Tapeshvaranandji's Original Letter

Reply To Tapesheshvaranandji On Ex-Wt & Traitor & More

REPLY TO TAPESHESHVARANANDJI ON EX-WT & TRAITOR & MORE

Baba

Respected Readers,

This email contains 3 distinct sections featuring letters from margiis around the globe:

1. Sarvatmananda & Tapeshvarananda Were Both Traitors by Pranav
2. Chandranath Dada Was Also Against Mahaprayan by Devesh
3. Chandranath Dada Was Also Against Mahaprayan by Kamalesh

at His lotus feet,
Ananda Marga News Bulletin Moderators

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:16:29
Subject: Sarvatmananda & Tapeshvarananda Were Both Traitors
From: Pranav Ghosh
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

SARVATMANANDA AND TAPESHVARANANDA WERE BOTH TRAITORS

Namaskar,
Here I raise two matters for consideration:

[A] In his letter, respected Dada Tapeshvaranandji makes this statement:
"those are not able to do WT life or ex -WT only they oppose [mahaprayan]."

So Dadaji claims that those who are ex-Wts hate MPD, but in my practical experience I see the opposite happening. Let us not forget that from the main line of AMPS, not less than 50 Wts were expelled and they became the Kolkata faction or Tiljala group etc. One of those expelled was Tapeshvaranandji himself, along with 50 more. Yet all such expelled or ex-Wts are themselves strict followers and die-hard proponents of MPD.


[B] In his letter, respected Dada Tapeshvaranandji makes this statement:
"Now Those are indisciplined and betrayed Baba."

So although Dadaji makes such a statement, let us not forget that Sarvatmanandji was himself living with and amongst that traitor group. Sarvatmanandji was away from Baba in the opposite campt. It is just Baba's causeless grace that Sarvatmanandji was arrested in Motihari case by CBI and had no way to join defectors group. Save for that he was a member of those defectors as we must not forget that he was away 1 month with traitor group before that time.

Then in his own story book, Dada Tapeshvaranandji describes about so-called 7 Tests and that Dada Tapeshvaranandji himself went with traitors for 7 days. Means Tapeshvaranandji was in opposite camp of Baba, and then Baba graciously called him and saved him from his fate. Initially Tapeshvarananda Dada recounted how he did not want to go back but eventually he conceded and returned back. This is the actual history which Tapeshvaranandji himself recounts in his own publication.

Having considered the above two points, it seems that Dadaji is referencing his own greatness in both of the above two allegations.

In Him,
Pranav Ghosh

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Subject: Chandranath Dada Was Also Against Mahaprayan
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:01:03 +0530
From: Devesh Kumar <deveshkuma.......com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

CHANDRANATH DADA WAS ALSO AGAINST MAHAPRAYAN

Namaskar,
Chandranath dada was a great soul. No doubt at all. Just now many margiis informed me - in the beginning in 1991 or 1992, one meeting was held in Patna regarding mahaprayan. Respected Chandranath dada and many margiis were present. All margis unanimously decided to protest against mahaprayan. However, afterwards some top level WTs, who are now leading Kolkata group and Ranchi group, took benefit of simplicity of Chandranath dada. He was always against mahaprayan observation.

Mahaprayan supporters always write that mahaprayan was decided in Central Committee meeting. Therefore, fate of mahaprayan can only be decided in CC meeting.

Here one question arises - Whether “Creating parallel AMPS in 2003” was also decided in Central Committee meeting? Without Central committee meeting why two AMPS was created? Is it not against Caryacarya? Is it not Gurudroha?

Baba wrote in Caryacaraya - Baba says, "The unity of A'nanda Ma'rgiis should not be allowed to be jeopardised for any reason. Unity should be maintained even at the risk of your life." (CC, part II, 'Society' chapter, point #13)

Everybody knows that parallel AMPS were established against Caryacarya in 2003. Some top level WTs has spoiled AMPS. They are free to create parallel AMPS without CC meeting, but they want CC meeting for Mahaprayan. It is called hypocrisy.

At HIS FEET,
Devesh Kumar, Mumbai

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Subject: Chandranath Dada Was Also Against Mahaprayan
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:37:26
From: kamalesh.yadav
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

FROM KAMALESH YADAV

Baba

Namaskar,
Regarding Shrii Candranath, Dada Tapeshvaranandji makes the following statement:

"The word Mahaprayan was approved and introduced by Ac Candranathji, Who was the President of Central Committee."

Ac Candranathji was under pressure and at CC meeting he did not oppose that is why it is said it was unanimously approved, but he did not like it and he did so only under pressure.

In the name of unity many simple margiis did not oppose. I too was present.

In Him,
Kamalesh

#3 More Letters from Readers on MPD Dogma

~ AMPS News ~ #3 More Letters from Readers on MPD Dogma

Baba

Respected Readers,

This email contains 3 distinct sections featuring letters from margiis around the globe on this topic of MPD dogma.

1. From Amrit Lalloo to Tapeshvaranandji
2. From Devesh to Tapeshvaranandji
3. ...MPD is Black Spot on AM - by Panda

at His lotus feet,
Ananda Marga News Bulletin Moderators


Subject: Re: ~ AMPS News ~ #2 More Letters from Readers on MPD Dogma
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:45:24 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo <amr.....@gmail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

FROM A. LALLOO TO DADA TAPESHVARANANDJI

Namaskar.

MPD dogma lobbyists are bankrupt. Nothing meaningful or convincing spoken in support of MPD - only incoherent drivel.

They cannot be blamed for this - this maha-dogma just cannot be justified. It is impossible- and do you know why. There is no logic or rationale to support it. Over and above it is against Ananda Marga ideology and way of life.

Baba (Shrii Shrii Anandamurtii) is the subject of our devotional sentiment – our sadhana. If anyone believes that He is gone then there is no point in practicing Ananda Marga sadhana. Parama Purusa is attainable by unswerving devotion to Him alone.

 The MPD lobbyists are clutching at straws or treading on rather dangerous turf.

Krsna said in Gita and Baba expanded and elaborated on it :

(Maya is very so powerful that it is insurmountable by human beings on their own. But it is My maya. Only those who surrender to Me can overcome this Maya.)

This is significant. MPD dogma is the product of Avidya Maya. Only those who surrender to Baba will surmount this maha-dogma. 

“It is the ego that prevents one from telling the truth” - Baba

Amrit

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Subject: Five days Kirtan of MPD should be shifted to Ananda Purnima
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 21:58:21 +0530
From: Devesh Kumar <deveshkumarb.......mail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

FROM DEVESH TO DADA TAPESHVARANANDJI

Namaskar Tapeshvarananda Dada,

We are born to follow “Mahasambhuti Baba’s teachings” (Absolute Knowledge), Not “human teachings. Therefore, if Chandranath dada or any great WT have committed blunder and added chapter in Caryacarya after Baba’s physical departure, we are not here to follow their faulty instructions. We have to be very strict and follow “Non compromising strictness” to “ISTA and Adarsha”.

BABA Says,” "The period of mourning should not extend beyond twelve days." (CaryaCarya- part 1).

Therefore, there must not be any “Solemn observation” or any type of programme on 21st October (and 26th October). We have to follow only those festivals which are written by Baba in Caryacarya.

Five days kiirtan of Mahaprayan should be shifted to Ananda Purnima. Let everyone enjoy devotional five days kirtan on Ananda Purnima.

Baba says, "I keep no ambiguity, I am clear, concrete, conclusive. My philosophy is a complete philosophy, a complete way of life. I am complete in myself...I am like an arrow-- clear, pointed." (Supreme Expression).

Baba says, "You all know, where reasoning fails, vilification becomes the sole stock-in-trade. When you hear abuses from these frogs-in-the-well, you can take for granted that the grey matter in their frenzied brains has no functional residues left and that they have come to you only to convince you of their helpless and fey condition." (SS-part-3, chapter 'Shreya and Preya').

Note: A few WTs have abused me in emails. Above Baba’s teachings are for them.

Baba says, "Absolute knowledge is the direct message from God...The books in A'nanda Ma'rga philosophy are all absolute knowledge." (PNS-part 18, page.10).

At HIS Feet,
Devesh Kumar, Mumbai

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Subject: Fw:
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:28:45 +0800 (SGT)
From: narayan panda <tatnam......o.co.in>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

RE: TAPESHVARANANDJI LOST HIS MIND

MPD IS A BLACK SPOT ON AM

LIKE SHRADDHA FUNCTION OF PREVAILING RELIGIONS

Namaskar.
The purpose of writing about Bhaskarananda dadjii is so that margii brothers & sisters should not  blindly believe in words of the great sanyasii brothers & sisters---"Baba told like this, like that......"

From Baba's  delivered discourses on languages in books like Varna Vijinana, Varna Vicitra, Shabda Cayanika, we know that He gives importance to each & every language of the world. So it is irrational & illogical to support "original Bengali" business concept advocated by Tiljala group including Bhaskaranandajii.

I respect Bhaskaranandajii since he was much associated with my father-in-law, the late NRK Raju of Visakhapatnam & his family members. Dadaji's contribution towards Baba's mission is great. At the same time I can't agree with the meaningless policy of publication of Tiljala faction as described by Bhaskaranandajii as I didn't agree with my parents & relatives to follow so many illogical & irrational dogmatic customs, practices, advices after I came to know Baba's philosophy. But I have regards for them since they are elderly persons & they don't know the path of light of Ananda Marga. Similarly after Baba's physical departure we came to know the standard of so-called great sannyasii & gruhii dadas & diidiis. We have to discriminate the great dadas & diidiis with the help of the knowledge given by Baba.

Similarly when I could realise  MPD a dogmatic function, my father-in-law still was following MPD. In year 1995 he read the letter against MPD circulated by Ganesh Bhat dada of Sirsi & Manjula diidii of Shimoga in Karantaka & he could realise his mistake & left MPD forever. Similarly  A'c Harishankar of Ranchi stopped following MPD.

Like that, new margii brothers & sisters who came to know from me about the logic behind not to follow / observe MPD, expressed MPD is a black spot on Ananda Marga like shraddha function of prevailing religions which are opposed by Ananda Marga.

I agree with those who say that they get bliss from kiirttana performed in Tiljala from 21October to 26th October. But I oppose MPD which is the root cause of performance of kiirttana. The vaisnava followers also get bliss from Hare rama hare krisna kiirtana conducted on occasion of death day of their gurus. As per Ananda Marga philosophy observance of death day is dogmatic. Therefore I compare the followers of Ananda Marga (who attend / observe MPD) with these vaisnavas.

Nara'yan'a

Following is Sukulji's earlier letter that inspired the above reply...

Namaskar.

I am surprised. I generated great respect and love to Dada Bhaskarananda when I learnt "Glimpses of Mystery" but it just came to zero when I learnt letters of respected Pandaji.

In a similar way "Living with Baba" provided me a lot of honor and love to Dada Tapeshvarananda which I personally expressed him through his mail address and he too responded but, this mail has lessened it considerably.

I am unable to understand why such learned and senior dadas who have been so contiguous to Rev. Baba have lost their mind on such an irrational matter of MPD which is completely against Baba's teachings.

Yours,
Dr T.R. Sukul

#1: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part A

#2:  Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part B

#3: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part C

#4: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part D

#5: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part E

#6: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part F

#7: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part G

Tapeshvaranandji's Original Mailing

Baba

Here are various replies to Dadaji's below email:

http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/11/2-reply-to-tapesheshvaranandji-on-ex-wt.html

http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/10/reply-to-tapesheshvaranandji-on-ex-wt.html

http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/10/3-more-letters-from-readers-on-mpd-dogma.html

http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/10/2-more-letters-from-readers-on-mpd-dogma.html


Here below is Dadaji's original email:

From: Dada Tapeshvarananda <dadatapesh@gmail.com>

Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:31:04 -0200

Namaskar.

It was a history. The word Mahaprayan wsa approved and introduced by Ac Candranathji, Who was the President of Central Committee. Now Those are indiciplined and beyred Baba, those are not able to do WT life or ex -WT only they oppose. Kolkata margiis are only to maintain the History. It was the History He was biologically present. As He took physical body. There is a history, there is a document. Just to maintain the document they do Kiirtan. Those are not in favor of Kolkata or having Kolkata alergy They  only became Mad near Mahaprayan. 

Dada.

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More Letters from Readers on MPD Dogma

Baba

Respected Readers,

Namaskar. Below please find five letters related with this critical issue of MPD dogma. The first letter is from Dada Mokseshvaranandji who is conveying experience.

Following that are separate emails from brother Lalloo, Sukulji, Deveshji, and Kamalkrsnaji. All such emails are in reply to Mokseshvarananda's letter.

In Him,
Brahmadeva
AM Universal Moderators


Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:28:31 +0530
From: Markus Rosbach <mrosb....murt.net>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin 3

MORE LETTERS FROM READERS ON MPD DOGMA

This is my first time to attend this function. No matter what function it depends on the people with what motivations they come which could apply to any retreat of Ananda Marga. The happyness and joy in this event and the highly charged spiritual energy is incomparable to any event I have participated so far. The Mahaprayan is just an occasion used to do kiirtan, we could use any occasion in my opinion, why not an initiative for Baba's birthday to do the same - just do it- that in October besides dipavalii there is no major Ananda Marga festival - it is as if Baba allocated this space for this function. Moreover during this period there is a major school holiday due to Durga puja and Diipavalii, so instead of focussing on all those dogmatic functions, we rather have now our own overshadowing all of these with kiirtan.Is kiirtan dogmatic ? I don't think so.
 There are no speeches or discourses except Baba's recordings and workers RDS at the end.You make up your own mind - you want to be whatever you want to beno matter what the occasion.

BNK, Dada Mokseshvarananda



These following four letters are all in reply to Dadaji's above letter...


Subject: More Letters from Readers on MPD Dogma
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:22:01 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo <amrit.la.....com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

MORE LETTERS FROM READERS ON MPD DOGMA

Namaskar Dada,
Good to hear from you.

"Appropriate to the solemnity of the occasion " is the message in in CV. and yet there is "happiness and joy" in this event. Are we celebrating or mourning?  Confusing, ain't it ?

Kirtan is the food for us sadhakas and the longer the better. Kirtan is definitely not dogmatic, however, it being used to prop up the dogmatic mahaprayan initiative is distasteful. Much has been debated / discussed about the word and essence of mahaprayan (DEATH)- there is a bigger, broader picture. In the beginning there was some logic to the dreadful dowry system. Today one woman is being burnt alive every hour in India. Casteism also has its merits, however its demerits outweigh its merits. Baba was non-compromising on dowry, casteism, dogma and fissiparous tendencies.

Baba has spoken about a dog chewing on a dry bone which invariable cuts its gums. Thinking that the blood is from the bone the dog chews more vigorously- causing more bleeding. Time alone will reveal the dire negative consequences of man-made MPD Dogma.

We cannot create a new dogma to counteract any existing dogma (Durga puja). Baba has mandated many functions and festivals for us to enjoy the bliss of Kirtan. Why can't we (like you suggested) use one of these (Ananda Purnima) for a six day Kirtan?

Are we to believe that functions and festivals recommended by Baba himself is less important than MPD? Are we to blame Baba for the groupism in AM?  NO! these are human misgivings guided by a bloated ego and greed.

At this point in time Ananda Marga is in crises and by surrendering ONLY TO HIS DIVINE PLAN will we be able to overcome.

In Baba.
Amrit



Subject: Re: More Letters from Readers on MPD Dogma
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:13:30 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukul......il.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

MORE LETTERS FROM READERS ON MPD DOGMA

Respected Dadaji,
Namaskar.

Dada Mokseshvarananda is partly right. To do kiirtan is not at all dogmatic but the term MPD is dogmatic which is used  before the term kiirtan.

Rev Baba has given top priority to do kiirtan. He has encouragingly said to do kiirtan as and when we get free time for even one or two minutes . He often used to quote "Kiirtneeya sada hari". The full shloka is given below:-

 "tranadapi suneechen tarorapi sahishnuta
  Amanina mandeyam kiirtneeya sada hari"

This means, Hari kiirtan is not so easy, if you want to do Harikiirtan, you will have to have pain bearing mind like grass and trees and to pay respect to even those who do not deserve it. It is therefore said that one should always try to do kiirtan every time( means always try to acquire above said qualities as much as possible).

Rev Baba often used to repeat last three words of the above shloka .

So, why res. Dadaji is thinking that Kiirtan can only be done at the time of so called MPD? It will be better for him to do kiirtan as much as he can every time forgetting MPD.

Regards,

Dr T. R. Sukul



Subject: Re: More Letters from Readers on MPD Dogma
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:22:42 +0530
From: Devesh Kumar <deveshkuma......l.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

MORE LETTERS FROM READERS ON MPD DOGMA

Namaskar,

It looks very funny that many WTs / margis have not yet realized BABA. They easily fall prey to dogma in the name of Kirtan or other. For thousand years, priests, religious leaders have been exploiting society in the name of religion. If our WTs will support dogmatic functions in the name of Kirtan, then who will save our beloved Baba’s mission from such dogmas. Baba always reiterated “Dogma no more”, “Dogma no more”….

Kirtan is always better. No doubt at all. But do kiirtan to support His presence (Ananda Purnima, etc) - not to support that BABA has gone forever as it is the very meaning of “Mahaprayan” word.

In order to attract margis, huge memorial building was constructed with beautiful marble podium in the centre for the sake of making Tiljala a “Great Pilgrimage”. They wasted hard earned money in millions in order to make memorial building more attractive and to attract margis of the world. Baba Says,” While money has been spent lavishly for the construction of beautiful places of worship, money has never been arranged for food, clothing, housing, education and medical care for the welfare of the poor. While for four full years all the state revenues of Orissa were spent for the construction of the Konark temple, during that period not a penny was spent for human welfare. Needless to say, the history of all countries is replete with such examples." (Ráŕh: The Cradle of Civilization, Ra'r'h - 6)

Our Ananda Marga is a poor organisation - hardly we have even a single great school or college. Most margii children are studying outside AM schools.  We should spend on schools; we should spend on PROUT and Samaj movements. We should spend to establish PROUT Government and Sadvipra Samaj  so that suffering humanity will be relieved; that will be the right investment. And for multiday kiirtan, we can arrange kirtan in Pandals like we do in DMS.

If we try to attract margi brothers sisters based on the beauty of our memorial buildings then always those people will become more enamored with temples and places of worship like the Golden Temple, Ajmer Sharif, Macca, Madina, Jerusalem, etc. This is the way Dogma begins.

Here question arises- why we cannot arrange 5 days kiirtan on the occasion of “Ananda Purnima”? Ananda Purnima has been included in the list of festivals in Caryacarya by Parama Purusa, Mahasambhuti, but Mahaprayan has been created by human being (unit mind), not by Cosmic Mind and Mahasambhuti. Moreover, MPD is against Caryacarya as it is being solemnly observed beyond 12 days…

Baba says, "Human beings yield to this dogma with the sole intention of attaining selfish pleasures; even educated people knowingly submit to dogma. They know that they are surrendering their intellect to dogma, and that the outcome will be undesirable; they know and understand everything - why, even then, do they knowingly submit to it? They are all deliberate sinners and intentionally accept dogmas as truth. They observe that these dogmas are based on a´tma-sukha tattva...”

AT HIS FEET,
Devesh Kumar
Mumbai


Subject: Re: More Letters from Readers on MPD Dogma
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:08:22
From:k.krsna <k_krsns....bhl.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

Baba

MORE LETTERS FROM READERS ON MPD DOGMA

Namaskar,

MPD dogma is just like this type of lower devotion described in this following discourse.

"Today there is a particular festival, the floor will have to be besmeared with cow dung in this way, the Ganges water will have to be sprinkled, the idols will be decorated in royal fashion or in the fashion of a child, the mantras will be chanted, the flowers offered, the leaves of Aegle marmelos will be offered in this way and so on. Such devotions practised within the bounds of externalized usage and rituals is called Vaedhii Bhakti." (Subhasita Samgraha - 21, Bhaktitattva)

In the Tilajla MPD program they perform various external rituals (this after this after this) whereby on 26 October there is a great series of rituals to solemnise and commemorate this event like flag hosting, a short discourse from PP Dada / President, ashiirvacana, and other variuos rituals. All this is done around the holy tomb. In that way, people are invited from far-fledged places. Those who reach there do not realise that the Divine Supreme Entity is residing in their heart. So they came to Tiljala to offer homage at the holy tomb. That is why MPD is vaedhii bhakti, i.e lowermost devotion. Again please read Baba's above quote to refresh how vaedhii bhakti is done.

We should all pay heed to Baba's below warning.

"“In Ananda Marga, there is no place for vaedhii bhati." (APH-14)

In Him,
Kamal Krsna


All are welcome to write in with thoughts and reflections... - Eds

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Reply to Tiljala MPD Circular

TILJALA MPD CIRCULAR

Namaskar,
It is the nature of dogma to attract crowds. Here lies the difference - would the same number attend a six day kiirtan organised for Ananda Purnima (sanctioned by Baba)? I doubt it! See the multitudes that gather at Ajmer - Are they there for spiritual elevation or for selfish motives - cures, good luck, win court cases, remove evil spirits, good health etc. The MPD will gravitate towards the same in the near future - if not already.

Most Indian margiis come from a Hindu background - it is so easy for them to slip back into the old Hindu dogmatic practice of annual commemoration of "DEATH". Only those established in genuine spirituality and knowledgeable in Baba's teaching will escape this grip of dogma.

Remember - Human existence is is an ideological flow. Live for your ideology and die for you ideology. Don't follow the misguided millions in the society. There is nothing ideological about MPD.

The letter by Ac Kalyanesvaranandji is full of contradictions - rather bizarre.

(A) Kalyanesvaranandji wrote: All have gathered at this "solemn occasion".

Reply: Yet, as we know, Baba says "let everyone be happy........."

(B) Kalyanesvaranandji wrote: During His life time on this earth, He does His Liila with the devotees.

Reply: Does His cosmic liila ever come to an end? When this happens it spells the end of the universe. Baba is Parama Purusa. His liila (divine play) never ends.  Baba continues to play His cosmic game. Those who are oblivious to this fact conclude that Baba is gone and that they are now in charge. They think and act as if they can now re-invent and re-design His divine teaching as they please. This mental outlook prevents one from surrendering. This is a non-devotional stance.

And verily there are many more contradictions from that letter.

Another sore point. Baba built one organisation. Now there are so many AMPSs. Can we be proud of this bifurcation and trifurcation? DOGMAS DIVIDE.

Homage has to be paid to Baba with every breath, every wakening, every moment, Guru Puja, Guru Sakash - and not with so-called MPD.

Enough has been said. I concede, it is not easy to free oneself from the grip of dogma. Only Divine intervention and surrender makes it possible.

BNK    

Namaskar,
in Him,
Amrit


Note: If you do not have a copy of Tiljala's circular, let me know.

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#6 Re: Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD

Baba

Respected Readers,

Namaskar. Below please find three letters related with this ongoing issue. The first letter is a statement from brother Bibhansuji; below that are two separate emails, by Lallooji & Sukulji, both of which were written in reply to Bibhansuji's letter.

In Him,
Brahmadeva
AM Universal Moderators

Re: Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD

~ Part 6 ~

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:55:52 +0530
From: Bibhansu Maiti <beema....ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga Universal

The first and foremost thing is if you believe that Baba is always with us then you act in the way as we did at Baba's time.Baba has never never entertained any negativity in the organization. But the way you are writing will not only disturb the firm sadhaka but the new generation.May be your intention is good, but the way is not at all desirable. If you love Him and His mission try to rectify or point out the loopholes with very positive intention.  These mail will neither help to progress nor to propagate yhe mission in any way. If someone reads these mails they will surely consider you as the enemies not the friends of the marga. My request is instead of doing all these, let us try to do something concrete.

Bibhansu


The following two letters are in reply to brother Bibhansuji's above email... - Eds


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:19:10 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo <amrit......com>
To: Ananda Marga Universal

Namaskar,
Thank you Bibhansuji for the sound advice, however, I feel that margiis should not be misguided with a negative approach to spirituality- MPD dogma and the like. This is is disturbing to a firm sadhaka and new sadhakas alike.Sadhakas must be properly informed and guided according to Baba guidelines.If you truly believe that Baba is with us, then why MPD dogma ?
MPD is in my opinion not concrete- it is highly destructive. It has not been sanctioned by Baba. We will be judged harshly by the future if things are not put right now.
Baba
Amrit


Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:51:49 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukulsa.....il.com>
To: Ananda Marga Universal

Namaskar.

By this letter brother Bibhansu ji has realized that we must try to rectify or point out the loopholes of the mission with very positive intention.

This means if we see or realize any thing happening wrong according to our code of conduct and constitution it should be brought to the notice of every follower so that it may be rectified in time. The celebration of MPD is not prescribed in Caryacarya but due to the whim of some of us, this dogmatic act has been  introduced which is misleading common margiis. In such a situation it is very necessary to let them know their errors and try to rectify .

In this age of electronics the emails are the fastest means to contact and communicate the reality to the concerned. So we are following the positive approach with our sole intention to  eradicate the created ills in the organization. Since the truth is always bitter hence those who have selfish interests will surely feel hurt and treat us as enemy but we are doing this for the betterment of the organization .

So, brother Bibhansu ji, come forward and help the work done in the favor of the organization and if you have any better way to rectify such dogmas please suggest us.

Respectfully,
Dr TR Sukul

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