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This email contains three sections:
1. Posting: Shoddy purodhas disparage Guru
2. Holy Teaching: What is meant by hurting the religious sentiments...
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Note 1: This letter is not for those who do not have reverence for Guru, Lord Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji. Those who cannot use their rational mind should not read this email. This is an important issue for the glory of Guru. Here we present the hard facts.
Note 2: In tantra, out of deep reverence, every disciple does sastaunga pranam to Guru. Sastaunga pranam is done by prostrating before Guru. And this pranam is not done to anybody else - only Guru. By this way one can understand that Guru gets utmost respect - above all. This letter is for true tantric disciples.
Namaskar,
Recently one incident took place that undermines the most foundational point of tantra - the status of Guru.
Our Ananda Marga philosophy teaches us that only Brahma is the Guru. Ananda Sutram (sutra 3-9) states:
Brahmaeva gururekah náparah.
[Only Brahma is the guru, no one else.]
“Purport: Brahma alone is the guru. Brahma alone directs the units to the path of emancipation through the media of different receptacles or bodies. No one except Brahma conforms to the real significance of the word “guru”." (1)
And here again we can understand that Brahma has come in the name and form of Lord Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji.
Ananda Marga ideology states, "The one formless, beginningless and infinite Parama Brahma (Supreme Consciousness) is the only entity to be attained by living beings – That alone is Jagat Guru (the Supreme preceptor), That alone has revealed Brahmavidyá (intuitional science) to us through the medium of the name and form of Anandamúrtijii. Unit beings must be made to appreciate Its majesty." (2)
In Ananda Marga Baba is the Guru and all are His disciples, including PP dada.
See above photo:
Dada Vishvadevananda is sitting higher
Yet at the recent Kullu DMS , one grave sin was committed. Here is what happened: Purodha Pramukha, i.e. Dada Vishvadevananda, appeared on stage at the DMS sitting on an elevated seat that was higher than Guru's place. PP Dada was veritably blocking the photo of Rev Baba. The image is above for you.
By placing PP Dada's seat higher than Sadguru Baba's place they are not just violating a social code but committing sin. To cast PP Dada or any human being on a pedestal higher than Guru is mahapapa - terrible sin.
Yet that is what occurred at the DMS. PP Dada's seat was higher than Baba's place.
Those involved are sinners and hypocrites. Our dadas pose as being great sadhakas wholly devoted to Guru, yet their actions and dealing tell otherwise. Raising the status of PP dada above that of Guru reveals their mindset and true colours. No true devotee could ever do like this.
So first such central dadas are committing sin and then sending this about photo out to the various newspapers.
Dada Rudrananda: Jacking him up to reap the benefits
Our Dada Rudrananda the handler of PP is trying to jack up PP Dada's image in order to reap the benefits. PP Dada is himself a stooge so he has no say in the matter.
Everyone should consider and understand that the DMS organisers themselves published and submitted this photo to the newspaper(s). Some naive people do not realise that the DMS authorities took this photo have been using it to propagate their event.
It has nothing to do with taking the photo from a particular angle or vantage point. This is the official photo of the event. So this has nothing to do with trick photography - this the real deal. Our dadas truly did jack up PP Dada seat above Sadguru Baba's photo.
They gloat that their faction is the real Ananda Marga but look what they are doing.
Humiliating Photo taken by Rudrananda & his stooges
and distributed to newspapers
They wanted to publicise this to the whole world: That now Vishvadevananda is the news guru of Rudrananda, and thus Baba’s status is lower than Vishvadevananda. That is why our dadas have PP Vishvadevananda sitting on a higher seat. Their action shows this - what further proof is needed. This work of taking the photo and giving to the newspapers for the whole world to see was not done by some third party like communists; rather this was done by Dada Rudranandji’s stooges.
Dada Rudrananda’s mentality is pathetic and shameful
Dada Rudrananda made the photo with the aim to present Baba’s status lower than PP’s status because Dada Rudrananda with his ulterior motive, wants to show that now PP Dada is sitting on throne. So PP Dada is the authority of divine power so Rudrananda can rule from behind the scene.
By their dealing, they are worse than animals. Dada Rudrananda ji wants to convince the whole world about the glory of the new guru of Rudrananda - i.e. PP Dada. Those in Centre want to project PP Dada’s status as being higher than Baba’s status. So AMPS central is showing how our dadas do not give respect to Guru Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji because now Vishvadevananda is the guru. This type of mentality is pathetic and shameful.
In Him,
Liila Shankar Verma
* Place where this sin was committed: recent Kullu DMS India
Note 1: Solution: ideal way of displaying Baba's photo
As we know, in our dharmacakra halls and jagrtis etc, Guru's photo must be prominently displayed at all times - with due reverence and regard. Best then is to have two photos on display - one lower (around 4 feet off ground), and one higher (around 7 feet off the ground.)
If everyone is sitting in sadhana or Guru Puja then both photos should be displayed. Because everyone is low to the ground and no one will block or disrespect Guru's image.
And if someone is standing or giving a talk, or if akhanda kiirtan is being done, then the lower photo, which is only four feet off the ground, should either be turned around or covered by a small curtain. That way those standing will not block or hover over Guru's photo. At the same time, the higher photo - which is around 7 feet above the ground - will be in full view of all. Those standing will have no chance of blocking that photo. The sanctity of Guru's photo will be maintained and the devotional environment preserved.
At DMS PP Dada should be sitting lower and Revered Baba's photo must be several feet above the seat of PP Dada. Baba's photo must not be below the seat of PP Dada as happened at the recent Kullu DMS - see above photo.
The central idea is that at our Marga gatherings Saguru Baba's photo must be, at minimum, several feet above the seat of PP Dada.
Note 2: Reverence for Guru
"Gurupújanam. I must have reverence for the guru. What is the guru? Gu means “darkness”, that is, darkness in the psycho-spiritual sphere. And ru means “dispelling agent”. That is, he who dispels darkness from my psychic and spiritual body is the guru. Gu means “darkness”, ru means “dispeller”. “Trtiiyaḿ gurupújanam. That is, you must have respect for the guru." (3)
Thus every sadhaka must cultivate great reverence for Guru, by His grace. That is the requisite quality of every disciple.
Note 3: Best seat is always reserved for the most respected
So these Dadas have contravened a basic, fundamental rule that even ordinary citizens follow. At any gathering, the best seat is always reserved for the most respected person. At conventions, the president gets the best seat; at forums, the invited speaker gets the best seat; at weddings, a special place is reserved for the bride and groom. But, this basic ethic the DMS organisers could not follow.
References
1. Ananda Sutram, Sutra #3-9
2. Caryacarya - 2, Sadhana, pt #1a
3. Ananda Vacanamrtam - 12, Shiva's Seven Secrets
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Baba says, "You should be careful not to hurt the religious sentiments of others, even if in the future most people become A'nanda Ma'rgiis. Deities should be preserved in museums, and temples should be restored to maintain the cultural and historical heritage of the country." (1)
Note: In the past and nowadays also, during communal riots vandals attacked and destroyed temples, mosques, and synagogues etc. This type of thing was common in India during the Muslim invasion. And throughout most parts of the globe we have witnessed this. People senselessly destroy the symbols and structures of other religions.
Not long back, the Taliban blew up the biggest Buddha carving in the world which had been made into a mountainside in Afghanistan. Nowadays, in Syria terrorists are doing the same thing - desecrating and destroying religious treasures and shrines. Such types of hate crimes occur both on the collective level and also in individual life. If someone hates another religion then they will destroy those religious artifacts etc. They break the neck or nose of various statues, or crush them into dust - thereby hurting the religious sentiments of others.
This type of senseless and destructive attack is not acceptable. In Ananda Marga we do not support this in any way.
Naive people get confused
At the same time, no one should think that open, rational discussions about religious beliefs is not allowed. Unfortunately some naive people get confused and think that genuine ideological discussion between the religions is also forbidden. But that is not true. Respectful logical discussion aimed at pointing out the loopholes is appropriate. That has nothing to do with hurting the religious sentiments of others.
For instance, one can openly discuss religious dogmas like casteism, heaven and hell, or namaz etc. Such topics can be examined morally and philosophically - and discussed. It only crosses the line when one openly abuses the peoples of that religion by taunting them that, "Your forefathers were stupid for worshiping the sun, moon, monkey, cross, crescent moon etc." That contravenes our code or ethic.
As Ananda Margiis, we should not suppress or eliminate the various legacies and traditions of different peoples and communities. All should be honoured and respected and taught the ways of neo-humanism. At the same time we should bear in mind that an open, respectful, rational discussion is encouraged .
Reference
1. Prout Nutshell - 16, p.71
HHH History
This email contains three sections:
1. Posting: Shoddy purodhas disparage Guru
2. Holy Teaching: What is meant by hurting the religious sentiments...
3. Links
Shoddy purodhas disparage Guru
Note 1: This letter is not for those who do not have reverence for Guru, Lord Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji. Those who cannot use their rational mind should not read this email. This is an important issue for the glory of Guru. Here we present the hard facts.
Note 2: In tantra, out of deep reverence, every disciple does sastaunga pranam to Guru. Sastaunga pranam is done by prostrating before Guru. And this pranam is not done to anybody else - only Guru. By this way one can understand that Guru gets utmost respect - above all. This letter is for true tantric disciples.
Namaskar,
Recently one incident took place that undermines the most foundational point of tantra - the status of Guru.
Our Ananda Marga philosophy teaches us that only Brahma is the Guru. Ananda Sutram (sutra 3-9) states:
Brahmaeva gururekah náparah.
[Only Brahma is the guru, no one else.]
“Purport: Brahma alone is the guru. Brahma alone directs the units to the path of emancipation through the media of different receptacles or bodies. No one except Brahma conforms to the real significance of the word “guru”." (1)
And here again we can understand that Brahma has come in the name and form of Lord Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji.
Ananda Marga ideology states, "The one formless, beginningless and infinite Parama Brahma (Supreme Consciousness) is the only entity to be attained by living beings – That alone is Jagat Guru (the Supreme preceptor), That alone has revealed Brahmavidyá (intuitional science) to us through the medium of the name and form of Anandamúrtijii. Unit beings must be made to appreciate Its majesty." (2)
In Ananda Marga Baba is the Guru and all are His disciples, including PP dada.
See above photo:
Dada Vishvadevananda is sitting higher
Yet at the recent Kullu DMS , one grave sin was committed. Here is what happened: Purodha Pramukha, i.e. Dada Vishvadevananda, appeared on stage at the DMS sitting on an elevated seat that was higher than Guru's place. PP Dada was veritably blocking the photo of Rev Baba. The image is above for you.
By placing PP Dada's seat higher than Sadguru Baba's place they are not just violating a social code but committing sin. To cast PP Dada or any human being on a pedestal higher than Guru is mahapapa - terrible sin.
Yet that is what occurred at the DMS. PP Dada's seat was higher than Baba's place.
Those involved are sinners and hypocrites. Our dadas pose as being great sadhakas wholly devoted to Guru, yet their actions and dealing tell otherwise. Raising the status of PP dada above that of Guru reveals their mindset and true colours. No true devotee could ever do like this.
So first such central dadas are committing sin and then sending this about photo out to the various newspapers.
Dada Rudrananda: Jacking him up to reap the benefits
Our Dada Rudrananda the handler of PP is trying to jack up PP Dada's image in order to reap the benefits. PP Dada is himself a stooge so he has no say in the matter.
Everyone should consider and understand that the DMS organisers themselves published and submitted this photo to the newspaper(s). Some naive people do not realise that the DMS authorities took this photo have been using it to propagate their event.
It has nothing to do with taking the photo from a particular angle or vantage point. This is the official photo of the event. So this has nothing to do with trick photography - this the real deal. Our dadas truly did jack up PP Dada seat above Sadguru Baba's photo.
They gloat that their faction is the real Ananda Marga but look what they are doing.
Humiliating Photo taken by Rudrananda & his stooges
and distributed to newspapers
They wanted to publicise this to the whole world: That now Vishvadevananda is the news guru of Rudrananda, and thus Baba’s status is lower than Vishvadevananda. That is why our dadas have PP Vishvadevananda sitting on a higher seat. Their action shows this - what further proof is needed. This work of taking the photo and giving to the newspapers for the whole world to see was not done by some third party like communists; rather this was done by Dada Rudranandji’s stooges.
Dada Rudrananda’s mentality is pathetic and shameful
Dada Rudrananda made the photo with the aim to present Baba’s status lower than PP’s status because Dada Rudrananda with his ulterior motive, wants to show that now PP Dada is sitting on throne. So PP Dada is the authority of divine power so Rudrananda can rule from behind the scene.
By their dealing, they are worse than animals. Dada Rudrananda ji wants to convince the whole world about the glory of the new guru of Rudrananda - i.e. PP Dada. Those in Centre want to project PP Dada’s status as being higher than Baba’s status. So AMPS central is showing how our dadas do not give respect to Guru Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji because now Vishvadevananda is the guru. This type of mentality is pathetic and shameful.
In Him,
Liila Shankar Verma
* Place where this sin was committed: recent Kullu DMS India
Note 1: Solution: ideal way of displaying Baba's photo
As we know, in our dharmacakra halls and jagrtis etc, Guru's photo must be prominently displayed at all times - with due reverence and regard. Best then is to have two photos on display - one lower (around 4 feet off ground), and one higher (around 7 feet off the ground.)
If everyone is sitting in sadhana or Guru Puja then both photos should be displayed. Because everyone is low to the ground and no one will block or disrespect Guru's image.
And if someone is standing or giving a talk, or if akhanda kiirtan is being done, then the lower photo, which is only four feet off the ground, should either be turned around or covered by a small curtain. That way those standing will not block or hover over Guru's photo. At the same time, the higher photo - which is around 7 feet above the ground - will be in full view of all. Those standing will have no chance of blocking that photo. The sanctity of Guru's photo will be maintained and the devotional environment preserved.
At DMS PP Dada should be sitting lower and Revered Baba's photo must be several feet above the seat of PP Dada. Baba's photo must not be below the seat of PP Dada as happened at the recent Kullu DMS - see above photo.
The central idea is that at our Marga gatherings Saguru Baba's photo must be, at minimum, several feet above the seat of PP Dada.
Note 2: Reverence for Guru
"Gurupújanam. I must have reverence for the guru. What is the guru? Gu means “darkness”, that is, darkness in the psycho-spiritual sphere. And ru means “dispelling agent”. That is, he who dispels darkness from my psychic and spiritual body is the guru. Gu means “darkness”, ru means “dispeller”. “Trtiiyaḿ gurupújanam. That is, you must have respect for the guru." (3)
Thus every sadhaka must cultivate great reverence for Guru, by His grace. That is the requisite quality of every disciple.
Note 3: Best seat is always reserved for the most respected
So these Dadas have contravened a basic, fundamental rule that even ordinary citizens follow. At any gathering, the best seat is always reserved for the most respected person. At conventions, the president gets the best seat; at forums, the invited speaker gets the best seat; at weddings, a special place is reserved for the bride and groom. But, this basic ethic the DMS organisers could not follow.
References
1. Ananda Sutram, Sutra #3-9
2. Caryacarya - 2, Sadhana, pt #1a
3. Ananda Vacanamrtam - 12, Shiva's Seven Secrets
== Section 2 ==
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What is meant by:
hurting the religious sentiments of others
hurting the religious sentiments of others
Baba says, "You should be careful not to hurt the religious sentiments of others, even if in the future most people become A'nanda Ma'rgiis. Deities should be preserved in museums, and temples should be restored to maintain the cultural and historical heritage of the country." (1)
Note: In the past and nowadays also, during communal riots vandals attacked and destroyed temples, mosques, and synagogues etc. This type of thing was common in India during the Muslim invasion. And throughout most parts of the globe we have witnessed this. People senselessly destroy the symbols and structures of other religions.
Not long back, the Taliban blew up the biggest Buddha carving in the world which had been made into a mountainside in Afghanistan. Nowadays, in Syria terrorists are doing the same thing - desecrating and destroying religious treasures and shrines. Such types of hate crimes occur both on the collective level and also in individual life. If someone hates another religion then they will destroy those religious artifacts etc. They break the neck or nose of various statues, or crush them into dust - thereby hurting the religious sentiments of others.
This type of senseless and destructive attack is not acceptable. In Ananda Marga we do not support this in any way.
Naive people get confused
At the same time, no one should think that open, rational discussions about religious beliefs is not allowed. Unfortunately some naive people get confused and think that genuine ideological discussion between the religions is also forbidden. But that is not true. Respectful logical discussion aimed at pointing out the loopholes is appropriate. That has nothing to do with hurting the religious sentiments of others.
For instance, one can openly discuss religious dogmas like casteism, heaven and hell, or namaz etc. Such topics can be examined morally and philosophically - and discussed. It only crosses the line when one openly abuses the peoples of that religion by taunting them that, "Your forefathers were stupid for worshiping the sun, moon, monkey, cross, crescent moon etc." That contravenes our code or ethic.
As Ananda Margiis, we should not suppress or eliminate the various legacies and traditions of different peoples and communities. All should be honoured and respected and taught the ways of neo-humanism. At the same time we should bear in mind that an open, respectful, rational discussion is encouraged .
Reference
1. Prout Nutshell - 16, p.71
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== Section 3 ==
Links
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