Baba
Respected Readers,
This email contains 2 distinct sections featuring letters from margiis around the globe.
1. Re: When Master Is On Tour by Lalloo
2. Tapeshvaranandji: Related Issues by Sukulji
at His lotus feet,
Ananda Marga News Bulletin Moderators
Subject: Re: When Master Is On Tour
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:47:29 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo <amrit.la....ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
You writing is very relevant:
"In the early days after 1990 they were 100% united in their activities. Together these people wrote a declaration and announced that Baba (Master) has not only departed but He has so-called greatly departed; i.e. mahaprayan. They thought, "Now we are free. Nobody is watching us; nobody will know about our hypocrisy and sins; nobody will hold us accountable for our actions; we are free; so let's enjoy."
I have always maintained that "mahaprayan" is the root of the crises in Ananda Marga. The MPD resolution which was passed on the 25th August 1991 was an acknowledgement/ affirmation that Baba is no more and we have the freedom to do as we please.
I am optimistic that there can be a turn around in our Ananda Marga providing that MPD is discarded into the rubbish bin where it belongs.
In Him,
Amrit
Subject: Tapeshvaranandji: Related Issues
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:53:33 +0800 (SGT)
From: t r shukla <trshuk.....hoo.co.in>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Namaskar.
I requested Dada Tapeshvaranandji to answer some of the questions raised from his mail regarding MPD. That letter is appended below as Note 1. Dada immediately replied in the following mail on 1/11/2013, which is being presented to you [directly below] for your review:
Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Don't care about what other poeple think of you. There will always be those people who want to see you fail becaue they can't succeed."
That concludes Tapeshvaranandji's reply to me.
The replies he supplied are quite irrelevant and incomplete and hence I again requested him to give proper reply of all the questions but he has not responded so far. Please see my letter below in Note 1.
Respectfully
Dr T.R. Sukul
Subject: Re: More Points to Consider Regarding Tapeshvarananda
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:41:45 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukulsa....il.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Respected Dada Tapeshwaranandaji,
Pranam to the lotus feet of Baba.
After going through your views on MPD, may I know some of the queries which are given below along with each of your sentence of email.
(1) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "It was a history."
REPLY: I have found some traces by research that Dada Tapeshvarananda ji went away with defectors for one week, back in 1970: and Baba graciously brought him back. Whether for few days or few weeks betrayal is betrayal. Since you have much trust on history, this history of 1970 may be trusted or not?
(2) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "The word Mahaprayan was approved and introduced by Ac Candranathji, Who was the President of Central Committee."
REPLY: Regarding this, Rev. Baba has taught us that if our forefathers have committed a mistake which is proved by logic and evidences it should be corrected immediately so that it may not take a form of dogma. But it shows that under the shadow of forefathers you want the errors to be brought up nicely like Karmkandi Hindu Pundits, who have invented Murtipuja and many tales with it in order to continue the business till generations in future. Am I wrong?
(3) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Now Those are indisciplined and betrayed Baba, those are not able to do WT life or ex-WT only they oppose."
REPLY: Does this statement relate to you also in connection to the above mentioned point no.1.?
(4) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Kolkata margiis are only to maintain the history."
REPLY: Regarding so called history of MPD I think, due to a few of the Kolkata margiis who have lost their logic have been misguiding others. Is it not like meat eaters who say that vegetarians hate meat because vegetarians are not allowed to eat meat? Or, idol worshipers who say margiis hate idol worship because margiis are not allowed in the temple?
(5) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "It was the history He was biologically present. As He took physical body."
REPLY: Do you believe that Rev. Baba was a physical body only? And since the physical body is gone therefore everything has gone?
(6) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "There is a history, there is a document. Just to maintain the document they do Kiirtan."
REPLY: There is also a history and documents that show that the discourses of Rev. Baba are published by AMPS Tiljala group and they have (a) distorted (b) changed (c) manipulated these discourses while translating in different languages and (d) published fake Ananda Vaniis to mislead common margiis.
Do you follow and support this history because it is established by the ancestors of AM? Or you would like to correct the errors done by them for the welfare of coming generation? Or you would simply like to do kiirtan so that the errors done by these illogical people may be finally approved?
(7) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Those are not in favor of Kolkata or having Kolkata allergy they only became mad near mahaprayan."
REPLY: Do you favour Kolkata because you believe that all the points from 1 to 6 above are in conformity with your personal ideology? Or is it an irritation of being apprehended doing errors and creating dogmas and groups?
It is shocking that you gave a completely illogical reply. I think you would certainly be remembering Baba's following teaching:
"Where reasoning fails, vilification becomes the sole stock-in-trade. When you hear abuses from these frogs-in-the-well, you can take for granted that the grey matter in their frenzied brains have no functional residues left and that they have come to you only to convince you of their helpless and fey condition." (Subhasita Samgraha, Part 3, Shreya & Preya)
So, Dadaji I hope you will certainly realize dogmatic and narrow-mindedness of your favourites and come along the right path of bliss which has no dogma and narrowness.
Why you have become contradictory?
Respectfully,
Dr. T.R. Sukul
Respected Readers,
This email contains 2 distinct sections featuring letters from margiis around the globe.
1. Re: When Master Is On Tour by Lalloo
2. Tapeshvaranandji: Related Issues by Sukulji
at His lotus feet,
Ananda Marga News Bulletin Moderators
Subject: Re: When Master Is On Tour
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:47:29 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo <amrit.la....ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Re: When Master Is On Tour
Namaskar,You writing is very relevant:
"In the early days after 1990 they were 100% united in their activities. Together these people wrote a declaration and announced that Baba (Master) has not only departed but He has so-called greatly departed; i.e. mahaprayan. They thought, "Now we are free. Nobody is watching us; nobody will know about our hypocrisy and sins; nobody will hold us accountable for our actions; we are free; so let's enjoy."
I have always maintained that "mahaprayan" is the root of the crises in Ananda Marga. The MPD resolution which was passed on the 25th August 1991 was an acknowledgement/ affirmation that Baba is no more and we have the freedom to do as we please.
I am optimistic that there can be a turn around in our Ananda Marga providing that MPD is discarded into the rubbish bin where it belongs.
In Him,
Amrit
Note: LINK TO INITIAL LETTER
http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/11/when-master-is-on-tour.html
http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/11/when-master-is-on-tour.html
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Subject: Tapeshvaranandji: Related Issues
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:53:33 +0800 (SGT)
From: t r shukla <trshuk.....hoo.co.in>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Tapeshvaranandji: Related Issues
Namaskar.
I requested Dada Tapeshvaranandji to answer some of the questions raised from his mail regarding MPD. That letter is appended below as Note 1. Dada immediately replied in the following mail on 1/11/2013, which is being presented to you [directly below] for your review:
Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Don't care about what other poeple think of you. There will always be those people who want to see you fail becaue they can't succeed."
That concludes Tapeshvaranandji's reply to me.
The replies he supplied are quite irrelevant and incomplete and hence I again requested him to give proper reply of all the questions but he has not responded so far. Please see my letter below in Note 1.
Respectfully
Dr T.R. Sukul
NOTE: MY PREVIOUS LETTER TO TAPESHVARANANDJI
Subject: Re: More Points to Consider Regarding Tapeshvarananda
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:41:45 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukulsa....il.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
WHO IS TRAITOR
Respected Dada Tapeshwaranandaji,
Pranam to the lotus feet of Baba.
After going through your views on MPD, may I know some of the queries which are given below along with each of your sentence of email.
(1) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "It was a history."
REPLY: I have found some traces by research that Dada Tapeshvarananda ji went away with defectors for one week, back in 1970: and Baba graciously brought him back. Whether for few days or few weeks betrayal is betrayal. Since you have much trust on history, this history of 1970 may be trusted or not?
(2) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "The word Mahaprayan was approved and introduced by Ac Candranathji, Who was the President of Central Committee."
REPLY: Regarding this, Rev. Baba has taught us that if our forefathers have committed a mistake which is proved by logic and evidences it should be corrected immediately so that it may not take a form of dogma. But it shows that under the shadow of forefathers you want the errors to be brought up nicely like Karmkandi Hindu Pundits, who have invented Murtipuja and many tales with it in order to continue the business till generations in future. Am I wrong?
(3) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Now Those are indisciplined and betrayed Baba, those are not able to do WT life or ex-WT only they oppose."
REPLY: Does this statement relate to you also in connection to the above mentioned point no.1.?
(4) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Kolkata margiis are only to maintain the history."
REPLY: Regarding so called history of MPD I think, due to a few of the Kolkata margiis who have lost their logic have been misguiding others. Is it not like meat eaters who say that vegetarians hate meat because vegetarians are not allowed to eat meat? Or, idol worshipers who say margiis hate idol worship because margiis are not allowed in the temple?
(5) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "It was the history He was biologically present. As He took physical body."
REPLY: Do you believe that Rev. Baba was a physical body only? And since the physical body is gone therefore everything has gone?
(6) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "There is a history, there is a document. Just to maintain the document they do Kiirtan."
REPLY: There is also a history and documents that show that the discourses of Rev. Baba are published by AMPS Tiljala group and they have (a) distorted (b) changed (c) manipulated these discourses while translating in different languages and (d) published fake Ananda Vaniis to mislead common margiis.
Do you follow and support this history because it is established by the ancestors of AM? Or you would like to correct the errors done by them for the welfare of coming generation? Or you would simply like to do kiirtan so that the errors done by these illogical people may be finally approved?
(7) Dada Tapeshvaranandji wrote: "Those are not in favor of Kolkata or having Kolkata allergy they only became mad near mahaprayan."
REPLY: Do you favour Kolkata because you believe that all the points from 1 to 6 above are in conformity with your personal ideology? Or is it an irritation of being apprehended doing errors and creating dogmas and groups?
It is shocking that you gave a completely illogical reply. I think you would certainly be remembering Baba's following teaching:
"Where reasoning fails, vilification becomes the sole stock-in-trade. When you hear abuses from these frogs-in-the-well, you can take for granted that the grey matter in their frenzied brains have no functional residues left and that they have come to you only to convince you of their helpless and fey condition." (Subhasita Samgraha, Part 3, Shreya & Preya)
So, Dadaji I hope you will certainly realize dogmatic and narrow-mindedness of your favourites and come along the right path of bliss which has no dogma and narrowness.
Why you have become contradictory?
Respectfully,
Dr. T.R. Sukul
