Subject: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 06:27:36 +0800 (SGT)
From: narayan panda <...........@yahoo.co.in>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Baba
Namaskar,
Here is the seventh section of this series of the discussion between Shrii Narayan Panda (BP, Vishakapatnam) and Acarya Bhaskarananda Avt. For your easy reference, links to earlier letters are appended below.
As a very brief summary, Dada Bhaskarananda advocated two flawed positions:
1) Bengali should be treated as the "original" language for all of Baba's discourses.
That means even if Baba has delivered the discourse originally in English, Hindi or any other language, then that original English, Hindi etc should be translated into Bengali, which then becomes the new master or "original." Then using the Bengali as the new source text, the discourse should be translated from Bengali back into Hindi, and from Bengali to English and then into other languages. So even though it is a Hindi discourse, Dada Bhaskaranandaji claims that Bengali should be treated as the original. And on the inside of the book it should state: "Translated from the original Bengali." They want to make it appear as though Baba delivered every discourse in Bengali when in fact Baba originally gave discourses in many other languages. So this is the way Dada Bhaskaranandji and certain Publications officials want to publish Baba's discourses.
Here is Dada Bhaskaranandji's second claim:
2) Those in attendance for Baba's English DMC discourses were not up to the proper standard so Baba spoke in simple or "peasant" English.
Specifically English-knowing margiis and those knowing other languages besides Bengali who attended DMC were of a lowly standard so Baba used "peasant" English to communicate with them. Hence it was necessary to rewrite those English discourses into Bengali and then re-translate that Bengali back into proper English.
Thus, Dada Bhaskarananda is seriously insulting all non-Bengalis (Hindi, English & other language speakers) by saying that their mental standard (i.e. intelligence) was so low - i.e. Baba had to employ "dumb English" or "pigeon English" so those dull-witted English speakers in attendance could understand; and Baba had to employ "dumb Hindi" or "pigeon Hindi" so those dull-witted Hindi speakers in attendance could understand. Hence it was needed to rewrite Baba's spoken English & spoken Hindi discourses at DMC to Bengali and then translate that into respectable English or respectable Hindi. Whereas with Bangla, all the Bengali speakers in attendance were highly educated and of keen intellect, so Baba spoke in highly refined Bengali at DMC. In which case, those Bangla discourses could be printed "as is". This is the outrageous claim that Dada Bhaskaranandji makes. Dadaji's misguided analysis smacks of narrow-minded, communal sentiments.
MAIN THEME:
DISCOURSES SHOULD BE PRINTED "AS IS"
All along the theme of this discussion has been that Bengali must not be treated as the original language, rather each and every discourse should be printed "as is" in the original language in which Baba spoke. That is the only proper way to accurately depict and preserve the sanctity of Sadguru Baba's discourses. But Dada Bhaskaranandji's stand is the exact opposite.
This was the stand put forward by Ananda Margiis, but always those in-charge Dadas - spearheaded by Ac Sarvatmanandaji - and their followers and "spokespersons" like Dada Bhaskarananda gave their political reply that Baba wanted that Bengali should be treated as the original language. Because more people like Ac Bhaskaranandji were literally brainwashed into thinking this way by Dada Sarvatmanandaji. But we know this is not true - Bengali is not to be treated as the original for such discourses - so it sad. And here is the proof.
Verily, in their heart of hearts, the Publications Dept also knows that Baba's discourses are to be printed "as is" in the languages in which they were originally given. Read below for evidence of this.
Throughout the 1990's, the then Publications department (of course influenced by Dada Sarvatmanandji) committed a lot of sins by attempting to permanently destroy and alter Baba's divine words. They ruined the bhukti pradhan system by tossing aside Baba's original guidelines and creating the Fake BP Manual, inserted "translated from the original Bengali" at the beginning of every book, plus they invented the Fake Ananda Vaniis and countless other dogmas like Mahaprayan etc. In short, they made a black stain on our Ananda Marga.
In the wake of all the protests to these crimes, they felt they needed to respond to margiis appeals not to distort Baba's words. They had to prove themselves to the margiis.
So they ordered Dada Acyutananda to create one book that was true to Baba's words. And that book was Ananda Vacanamrtam part 34 (2000). In that publication, Dada Acyutananda tried somewhat to write every word down "as is" and what could not be heard, he wrote "inaudible". In a phrase, he tried to transcribe everything from the original cassette - but he fell short of the mark in many ways because he is not habituated to listening to Baba's discourses, whereas those accustomed to listening to Baba's discourses can catch those words. Or it could be that some were not pleased with Dada Acyutananda's endeavor so they gave him a poor quality cassette to transcribe. Perhaps that is why he missed many words. Whatever may be the case, Dada Acyutananda had many lapses in his work, but at least they did not impose any of their Bangalistanisms. In the end there were many mistakes and blank spots, but in their effort they tried to create an "as is" book to show to the margiis to regain their trust etc.
Why did team Tiljala do like this? Why did they create a book "as is" from the original cassette. Because they KNEW - they knew in their heart of hearts - that this was Baba's system and in order to get back the trust and faith of margiis, they felt they had to follow Baba's system - at least once. So they did it.
This printing in 2000 of AV-34 indeed proves that they know that this is the proper way to publish an Ananda Marga book. They did not invent this approach themselves. This is the way given and approved by Baba Himself. That is why team Bangalistan adopted this "as is" technique. Because they knew it was Baba's system and they needed to get themselves out of "hot water" and earn back the trust of margiis.
Plus they did the same thing with Subhasita Samgraha Part 24.
By all this it is quite clear that Dada Bhaskarananda's claims are utterly false and will fall on deaf ears - after all who is naive and gullible enough to believe those outrageous claims:
1) Bengali should be treated as the "original" language for all of Baba's discourses, regardless of which language Baba originally spoke.
2) Those in attendance for Baba's English / Hindi etc DMC discourses were not up to the proper standard so Baba spoke in simple or "peasant" English / Hindi etc.
Namaskar,
In Him,
Narayan Panda
-- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 06:27:36 +0800 (SGT)
From: narayan panda <...........@yahoo.co.in>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Baba
MEETING WITH DADA BHA'SKARA'NANDA - PART G:
"NON-BENGALIS, I.E. OTHER LANGUAGE SPEAKERS, ARE DULL-WITTED"
"NON-BENGALIS, I.E. OTHER LANGUAGE SPEAKERS, ARE DULL-WITTED"
Namaskar,
Here is the seventh section of this series of the discussion between Shrii Narayan Panda (BP, Vishakapatnam) and Acarya Bhaskarananda Avt. For your easy reference, links to earlier letters are appended below.
As a very brief summary, Dada Bhaskarananda advocated two flawed positions:
1) Bengali should be treated as the "original" language for all of Baba's discourses.
That means even if Baba has delivered the discourse originally in English, Hindi or any other language, then that original English, Hindi etc should be translated into Bengali, which then becomes the new master or "original." Then using the Bengali as the new source text, the discourse should be translated from Bengali back into Hindi, and from Bengali to English and then into other languages. So even though it is a Hindi discourse, Dada Bhaskaranandaji claims that Bengali should be treated as the original. And on the inside of the book it should state: "Translated from the original Bengali." They want to make it appear as though Baba delivered every discourse in Bengali when in fact Baba originally gave discourses in many other languages. So this is the way Dada Bhaskaranandji and certain Publications officials want to publish Baba's discourses.
Here is Dada Bhaskaranandji's second claim:
2) Those in attendance for Baba's English DMC discourses were not up to the proper standard so Baba spoke in simple or "peasant" English.
Specifically English-knowing margiis and those knowing other languages besides Bengali who attended DMC were of a lowly standard so Baba used "peasant" English to communicate with them. Hence it was necessary to rewrite those English discourses into Bengali and then re-translate that Bengali back into proper English.
Thus, Dada Bhaskarananda is seriously insulting all non-Bengalis (Hindi, English & other language speakers) by saying that their mental standard (i.e. intelligence) was so low - i.e. Baba had to employ "dumb English" or "pigeon English" so those dull-witted English speakers in attendance could understand; and Baba had to employ "dumb Hindi" or "pigeon Hindi" so those dull-witted Hindi speakers in attendance could understand. Hence it was needed to rewrite Baba's spoken English & spoken Hindi discourses at DMC to Bengali and then translate that into respectable English or respectable Hindi. Whereas with Bangla, all the Bengali speakers in attendance were highly educated and of keen intellect, so Baba spoke in highly refined Bengali at DMC. In which case, those Bangla discourses could be printed "as is". This is the outrageous claim that Dada Bhaskaranandji makes. Dadaji's misguided analysis smacks of narrow-minded, communal sentiments.
MAIN THEME:
DISCOURSES SHOULD BE PRINTED "AS IS"
All along the theme of this discussion has been that Bengali must not be treated as the original language, rather each and every discourse should be printed "as is" in the original language in which Baba spoke. That is the only proper way to accurately depict and preserve the sanctity of Sadguru Baba's discourses. But Dada Bhaskaranandji's stand is the exact opposite.
This was the stand put forward by Ananda Margiis, but always those in-charge Dadas - spearheaded by Ac Sarvatmanandaji - and their followers and "spokespersons" like Dada Bhaskarananda gave their political reply that Baba wanted that Bengali should be treated as the original language. Because more people like Ac Bhaskaranandji were literally brainwashed into thinking this way by Dada Sarvatmanandaji. But we know this is not true - Bengali is not to be treated as the original for such discourses - so it sad. And here is the proof.
Verily, in their heart of hearts, the Publications Dept also knows that Baba's discourses are to be printed "as is" in the languages in which they were originally given. Read below for evidence of this.
THEIR UGLY TRACK RECORD
Throughout the 1990's, the then Publications department (of course influenced by Dada Sarvatmanandji) committed a lot of sins by attempting to permanently destroy and alter Baba's divine words. They ruined the bhukti pradhan system by tossing aside Baba's original guidelines and creating the Fake BP Manual, inserted "translated from the original Bengali" at the beginning of every book, plus they invented the Fake Ananda Vaniis and countless other dogmas like Mahaprayan etc. In short, they made a black stain on our Ananda Marga.
In the wake of all the protests to these crimes, they felt they needed to respond to margiis appeals not to distort Baba's words. They had to prove themselves to the margiis.
ASSIGNMENT GIVEN TO DADA A
So they ordered Dada Acyutananda to create one book that was true to Baba's words. And that book was Ananda Vacanamrtam part 34 (2000). In that publication, Dada Acyutananda tried somewhat to write every word down "as is" and what could not be heard, he wrote "inaudible". In a phrase, he tried to transcribe everything from the original cassette - but he fell short of the mark in many ways because he is not habituated to listening to Baba's discourses, whereas those accustomed to listening to Baba's discourses can catch those words. Or it could be that some were not pleased with Dada Acyutananda's endeavor so they gave him a poor quality cassette to transcribe. Perhaps that is why he missed many words. Whatever may be the case, Dada Acyutananda had many lapses in his work, but at least they did not impose any of their Bangalistanisms. In the end there were many mistakes and blank spots, but in their effort they tried to create an "as is" book to show to the margiis to regain their trust etc.
WHY DID TEAM TILJALA DO LIKE THIS?
Why did team Tiljala do like this? Why did they create a book "as is" from the original cassette. Because they KNEW - they knew in their heart of hearts - that this was Baba's system and in order to get back the trust and faith of margiis, they felt they had to follow Baba's system - at least once. So they did it.
This printing in 2000 of AV-34 indeed proves that they know that this is the proper way to publish an Ananda Marga book. They did not invent this approach themselves. This is the way given and approved by Baba Himself. That is why team Bangalistan adopted this "as is" technique. Because they knew it was Baba's system and they needed to get themselves out of "hot water" and earn back the trust of margiis.
Plus they did the same thing with Subhasita Samgraha Part 24.
By all this it is quite clear that Dada Bhaskarananda's claims are utterly false and will fall on deaf ears - after all who is naive and gullible enough to believe those outrageous claims:
1) Bengali should be treated as the "original" language for all of Baba's discourses, regardless of which language Baba originally spoke.
2) Those in attendance for Baba's English / Hindi etc DMC discourses were not up to the proper standard so Baba spoke in simple or "peasant" English / Hindi etc.
Namaskar,
In Him,
Narayan Panda
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