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Monday, October 21, 2013

#5 Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD

Baba

#5 Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD
Namaskar Bibhansu,
Thank you very much for your deep insight on Taraka Brahma. It is quite evident that you have studied Babas books extensively.
By our "high sounding word" we are foolishly trying to do work for Baba by preserving the sanctity of His teaching.

It may well be that we are under-informed. It may be that Baba forgot to mention MPD in His books or the publication department was challenged in this regard. If this is the case then I can only conclude that MPD is not the brainchild of mortals but of the Gods in Heaven.

Please have a look a Carya'carya Part 1. It ends on page 91. Looks complete to me.
Eish! How absent-minded am I ? More pages pages 92 and 93. MPD.

I am certain that you will be able to enlighten us about a few trivial matters.

1) Taraka Brahma appears approx. every 3500 years. The last was Shrii Shrii Anandamurthii. Should human beings for the next 3477 years be sad on 21st Oct? See ''solemnity of the occasion". 
2) The word "mahaprayan" means "death". Is MPD not a yearly reminder that Baba is "dead". Do devotees of Shri Krisna yearly remind themselves that Krisna is "dead"? If so, which day is that? Baba has written much about Shrii Krisna. Has Baba anywhere recommended that MPD for Krisna be observed?
3) What is shraddhainjali? 
4) Has Parama Purusa Baba really composed theme songs for MPD?
5) How does one do Solemn Akhanda Kirtan?
6) It is a known fact that fake vaniis were created after 1990. Which vaniis are used for vanii exhibition during MPD ?

Lastly, see Chapter 21 Page 42, 43,44, 45 and 46. MPD in not mentioned. It must be the fault of the publication department.
In anticipation of your wise response.

In Him,
Amrit


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: ~ AMPS News ~ Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:31:27 -0700
From: Bibhansu Maiti <bee
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin 2 <anandamarganewsbulletin2@yogasamsthanam.net>



Instead of of polluting the devotional sanctity of MPD and blackmailing imotion of devotees do some work for Baba, if tou really think Baba as Tarak Brahma. Only high sounding word will not work. Now people throw all these mails to dustbin. MPD is one of the most devotional function of AM where thousands of margiis enjoy His bliss.  
May Baba lead us in right path. It will be continuing for ever. You can never stop it. Baba wants devotion not dry intellect.

I think you will have courage to display my mail.

Bibhansu

Sunday, October 20, 2013

Donkey Marriage - 1

Baba

DONKEY MARRIAGE - 1

Namaskar,
Revolutionary marriages (RM) are a big part of our Ananda Marga way of life. As we all know Baba has placed tremendous importance on RM's and waged a ceaseless campaign against caste marriages, the dowry system, and all kinds of exploitation related with marriages.

In a nuthsell, the benefits of the RM system are vast indeed as it strengthens the gene pool by marrying people who come from diverse backgrounds, brings tremendous social unity, and is integral for forming one human society - among so many other plus points. As Ananda Margiis, we must be vigilant to attend to and follow Baba dharmic guidelines with regards to marriage. After all, this is an essential component of society building and if we do not adhere to His given tenets, then who will.

Unfortunately, the recent trend in certain parts shows how some are short-cutting and even blatantly disregarding and going against Baba's given revolutionary marriage system - in a multitude of ways. Here we are not only talking about the bride and groom, nor just the margii families involved, but also our Wts who attend, sanction, condone, and preside over such marriage ceremonies.

Here following are some of the transgressions taking place:

On 18th May 2013, Pratap Nayak, a senior margii and Bhukti Pradhan of Balasore in Odisha (formerly known as Orissa) arranged the marriage of his son with a non-margii girl of the same caste. So this the first martial violation as it is well known in Ananda Marga that we do not support caste marriages.

The second issue is that just prior to getting married the boy was seen driving a newly purchased Maruti 800 automobile. And it is no surprise where this car came from. The boy received it as part of the dowry from the bride's family. THus a big dowry was paid to the boy's family. That is a serious violation of our Ananda Marga marriage system.

And the third chief violation is that neither the boy nor the girl have reverence for Guru Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji. The boy has zero interest in Ananda Marga and the girl was not a non-margii. Yet they both took vows in the name of Sadguru Baba. But without proper regard for Him and without performing His sadhana, they are both completely unable to fulfill those vows. That is the third major violation. More about this is described further down in this email.

The fourth and final problem is that central workers like Ac Priyakrsnanandji of Kolkata served as the priest, and some other sanyasii dadas & diidis attended this marriage. Thus not only did those Wts attend the proper but they actually convened the ceremony, thus implicitly condoning a caste marriage, the dowry, and the fact that neither groom nor bride was in position to take an oath in the name of Lord Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji. Not only that, most of those Wts took food at this ceremony - i.e. full belly. Yet that should not have been done as this marriage ceremony incorporated so many dogmas like casteism and dowry. Ac Priyakrsnanandji and others involved should have taken the responsibility to ensure that the marriage adhered to the marital codes as given in Ananda Marga philosophy. Instead those workers paid a blind eye to such matters, and they got completely wrapped up in Hindu dogma and packaged the wedding in that way as well. This is nothing short of tragic and shocking that certain, "big" Dadas succumbed in this way. What is the need for them to move around in orange dress if they are going to walk arm-in-arm with all local dogmas. That is perhaps the biggest tragedy

Rule Violations: Caste marriage, acceptance of dowry, breach of sanctity of marriage vows, Wt support


WHY WTS INDULGE IN THIS WAY

With regards to violations of our Ananda Marga marriage system, we cannot blame non-margiis as they are ignorant of all such matters. Senior margiis must certainly be held accountable. Most shocking of all is those Wts who perform, preside over, condone, and attend such marriages that are in clear violation of Baba's dharmic marriage system.

Wts should not be giving marriage oaths to non-margiis and those who lack reverence for Ista. Yet clearly certain workers are in violation of this. Furthermore, our Wts should not be attending let alone eating at such marriage gatherings. Yet here again many are contravening Baba's codes.

For instance, if a dowry is involved then no Wt or senior margii should conduct that marriage ceremony - nor should they attend or eat at such a program. All that can be said is that laokik family members may attend out of family obligation but they must not take food at such a ceremony.

Yet so many Wts are in clear violation of this by attending and condoning caste marriages, marriages with dowry, marriages with non-margii brother, and marriages with those who lack reverence towards Ista. This begs the question why our Wts are involving in this way. Are they getting payment for performing such marriages?

All in all it is quite disturbing to see and 100% contrary to Guru's teachings.


WTS SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN MATCH-MAKING ETC

Actually this whole episode of our wholetimers involving in arranging marriges, conducting ceremonies, and doing match-making is not what they should be doing. This is the work of senior margiis and family acaryas. The problem is that sannyasi life is not easy and one various Dadas and Didis take active roles in marriage arrangements, all too often they end up matching themselves as well, thereby leaving their sannyasi dress behind. This is the unholy and disastrous outcome. Thus Wts should not put their mind in that direction. They should leave such works entirely up to senior family margiis and family acaryas. If and when necessary, our WT Dadas may give advice from afar when called upon and needed. Other than that they should involve in the creation of more wts and lfts and leave the arrangement of marriages to family people.


BABA'S MARRIAGE GUIDELINES FROM CARCARYA

Here are Baba's key guidelines on our Ananda Marga marriage system. The following twelve point are from the chapter "Marriage Ceremony" in Caryacarya. Thereafter further points are given in succeeding sections of this email.

A Few Instructions

(1) While arranging a marriage [in the case of that kind of marriage], the guardians should not consider the caste or nationality of the bride and bridegroom, but they must consider the family and the merits and demerits of the two. The guardians, before fixing the marriage, will seek the opinions of the bride and the bridegroom and proceed accordingly. The guardians should not allow matrimony between persons connected with each other either on the paternal or the maternal side for three generations, ascending or descending.

(2) In the case of arranged marriages, the guardians should finally meet and ascertain the consent of the bride and bridegroom, and bless them, at least a day before the marriage is solemnized.

(3) If the boy and the girl settle their marriage themselves, it is proper for the guardians to give their consent. In case the guardians feel that the consequences of such a marriage will be harmful, they may ask the boy and the girl to reconsider their decision. Even then, if they do not change their opinion, the guardians will give their consent, but they will be in no way responsible for such a marriage.

(4) Every person should marry if there is not sufficient reason against marriage. A decision for marriage should be taken with full consideration of one’s physical, mental, and financial conditions and environmental circumstances. No one should exert pressure in the matter of marriage. [[According to Ananda Marga,]] marriage is not a hindrance to dharma sádhaná; rather, marriage is a dhármika ceremony.

(5) Male members of the Marga can marry females outside the Marga, but it will be better to marry a female member of the Marga to a male member of the Marga, as far as possible. If a suitable match is available outside the Marga, the marriage may be solemnized, but efforts should be made to initiate him into the Marga without delay.

(6) For marriage, neither party can demand a dowry.

(7) A widow or a woman forsaken by her husband can remarry. A man marrying such a woman will be given a special status in the society. He will have to shoulder the responsibility of bringing up the children by her previous husband.

(8) If a woman forsaken by the society desires to lead an honourable life, proper opportunities should be afforded to her. If anyone marries such a woman in the manner prescribed by the Marga, the marriage should be properly respected.

(9) Men can prove their manliness by marrying shelterless women. Do not at all allow a woman to live [[in neglect]].

(10) It is proper not to marry again when one’s wife is alive. But sometimes, due to social or family necessity, more than one marriage can be accepted. If there is a need of more than one marriage, the clear permission of the wife has to be obtained in the presence of five responsible persons (one of whom will preferably be an ácárya/á). The second marriage will not be permissible without the permission of the wife. These five persons will specifically ascertain the veracity of the statement of the petitioner.

(11) In Ananda Marga no one will be looked down upon as an illegitimate child. In such circumstances, the parents of the child will be compelled to marry in the prescribed manner, and if need be, the man will have to agree to more than one marriage.

In order that the dignity of a child born out of wedlock may be saved, it will not be necessary to take the permission of the earlier wife for the marriage.

(12) The mantras in the Ananda Marga marriage system are such that the question of divorce does not arise; but in very extraordinary circumstances, on charges of characterlessness, irresponsibility, or cruelty, divorce may be accepted. The complainant (man or woman) will appeal to five important responsible persons of the Marga (an ácárya/á preferably being one of them). On being satisfied regarding the validity of the complaint, they will allow the complainant six months’ time for reconsideration. If the petition is still not withdrawn and the reasons for the complaint remain unaltered, divorce will be accepted. In this connection, the procedure for the division of the properties will be formulated according to the demands of the time.


ANOTHER IMPORTANT RULE ON MARRIAGE

Sadguru Baba says, "At the time of marriage the bride and bridegroom should not have any direct relationship three generations above and three generations below. If this condition is not met, the marriage should not be solemnized." (1)


IN RESPONSE TO THOSE WHO SAY WE SHOULD COMPROMISE

There are some who may say that adhering to the Ananda Marga marriage system is too difficult and virutally impossible. They argue that there should be some leeway - i.e. slackness in the rules - otherwise no one will participate in our revolutionary marriage system. People are not ready to give up caste dogma and forgo dowry. That is what some say and then they give the following suggestion: Best then is to compromise and not emphasize the importance of following all of Baba's stated rules on revolutionary marriage.

The reply to such persons is as follows. Ananda Marga is not a popularity contest nor are we seeking numbers at the expense of our ideals. Baba never advocates any kind of compromise with Ananda Marga guidelines.

"We will not deviate an inch from our ideology, nor will we allow others to do so." (2)

Indeed, once one begins compromising on points of dharma then the outcome is terrible - more and more degradation occurs until the original guideline is no longer recogniseable. That is the theme Baba has expressed in the following story.

"Perhaps you know the old story of a milk vendor. Once a customer asked a milk vendor. “How is it that you sell me milk at one kilo for one rupee, whereas the other vendor gives it to my neighbour for two kilos a rupee?” The vendor replied, “If you like, I will also give it to you for two kilos a rupee.” So the vendor started giving milk at that price. After a few days, the customer said to him, “Look here, another milk vendor sells 16 kilos of milk for one rupee. Why don’t you?” The vendor replied, “I can also, if you like.” After a few more days, the customer said, “See here, another vendor is selling milk at 18 kilos for a rupee!” “I can also do that if you want,” answered the vendor, “but this time I will not be able to retain the original colour of the milk!” That is, the vendor will have to pour such a great quantity of water into the milk that it will no longer remain white!" (3)

The main teaching here is that once one begins to compromise or adulterate then that continues until the original substance no longer resembles its former self. That is what happened with the milk in the above story.

And that is what will happen to our revolutionary marriage system in Ananda Marga. As soon as the bending of the rules or compromise occurs on caste marriages or dowry, then that will trigger more and more compromises until finally our marriages will have absolutely nothing to do with Baba's given revolutionary marriage system.

That is why Baba guides us to never compromise on points of dharma, i.e. never compromise on Ananda Marga ideals. He wants that we uphold the tenets of dharma. That is our measuring rod, not how popular we are with the common people. Lastly, by upholding the tenets of bhagavad dharma, then good people will be attracted to Ananda Marga.

So we should be ever strict to live by the tenets of Ananda Marga ideology - there is not any question of abandoning those core values and guidelines in order to become more popular.


MARRIAGE OATH IS TAKEN IN THE NAME OF MARGA GURU:

USELESS IF SPOUSE IS NON-MARGII

In marriage, Baba has given the mantra and meaning, and the meaning is treated as an oath. The mantra begins with the following vow, which first the groom and then the bride must repeat.

"I say on oath in the name of Parama Brahma and Marga Gurudeva that out of my own free will I will accept Shriimatii / Ms. ... as my wife." (Caryacarya)

In this above quote, the oath is taken "In the name of Parama Brahma and Marga Gurudeva". So here the point is that if the oath taker does not believe in Marga Gurudeva, then taking an oath in His name has no meaning for that person.

To take an oath in someone's name, one must have adoration for that person or entity.



JUST LIKE A MARGII TAKING VOW

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, JESUS, HANUMAN ETC

For example, if one margii takes oath in the name of Marga Gurudeva, then that has deep meaning. Because the margii has heartfelt feeling for Baba, our Marga Guru. But if that same margii takes oath in the name of Allah, Jesus or Hanuman, then what will be the sense of that when the margii has no feeling for those entities.

Similarly, if a non-margii sister takes the oath on the name of Marga Gurudeva, then what meaning will that have when she herself does not feel that Baba is her Guru. If she had the feeling that Lord Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji is her Guru then she would have taken initiation. Not having done so, it is just hypocritical for her to take oath in Marga Guru's name. Officially on paper the oath can be done, but in the real sense no oath has been taken.
(From letter of 11/8/2013 on Unmatched Marriages.)

It is just like if an atheist takes an oath in the name of God, then oath does not mean anything. Because that atheist does not have any feeling for God. So then how can an oath in the name of God hold any meaning - in that circumstance it cannot. An oath is meaningful only to the degree one has faith and belief in that Entity. Likewise, when non-margiis do not have faith in Ista or Ananda Marga ideology, then how can the oath they take in the name of Baba hold any real value or meaning.


MARRIAGE OATH IS A LIFELONG COMMITMENT:

MUST BE AN ANANDA MARGII

As we know, in Ananda Marga, an oath is taken very seriously. One must have a deep feeling, connection and commitment to take an oath. Moreover, here we are talking about marriage, a life-long commitment. So the marriage oath is a critical matter. It must not be taken on the name of one entity for which one has no feeling. Otherwise that is just hypocrisy.

This marriage oath is Baba's clear-cut injunction on marriage. Because this oath is being taken on the name of Marga Gurudeva. And as is already clear, when one has no heartfelt feeling or adoration for Marga Gurudeva, then that oath has no meaning. So this oath is very clear-cut, and it is given directly by Baba. A non-margii cannot take this oath.

On this basis, it is proven that both parties intending to marry within the Ananda Marga marriage system must be initiated margiis who accept Baba as their Guru.
(From letter of 11/8/2013 on Unmatched Marriages.)


REVOLUTIONARY MARRIAGE

“तुम लोग dogma के ख़िलाफ़ सङ्ग्राम करते रहोगे | और केवल—मुँह से बोलोगे कि dogma ख़राब है—सो नहीं | अपने करके दिखला दोगे कि—तुम dogma को नापसन्द करते हो |

हम तो सबसे कहेंगे कि हम लोगों को जल्द से जल्द समाज बना लेना है | और, दुनिया में सर्वत्र आनन्दमार्ग का प्रचार और-ज़ोरदार करना है | समाज बनाना है, इसलिए अधिक से अधिक revolutionary marriage चाहिए | …

जो लोग guardian हो, माता-पिता हो, अपने बटे-बेटी को revolutionary marriage करके दिखला दो कि—तुम dogma के ख़िलाफ़ हो |

घबड़ाओ नहीं, किसी से डरो नहीं | अपने वैयष्टिक प्रयास से अगर नहीं हुआ, सामूहिक प्रयास से करो | घबड़ाने की कोई बात नहीं है | और हम तोरा सिनी रो साथ छियो |”

क्रान्तिकारी विवाह (4)


“अधिक से अधिक revolutionary marriage करा लो | और जो हिम्मतवार लड़के हैं, वे, उनके guardian, उनके माता; वे लोग क्या करें ? जात-पाँत को लात से ख़त्म कर दो, चूर-चूर कर दो | एक दल, एक मज़बूत समाज बना लो | और हम लोगों को दुनिया के कोने-कोने में आनन्दमार्ग का पैगाम पहुँचा देना है | इसलिए अधिक से अधिक सङ्ख्या में whole timer worker की भी जरूरत है | कोई whole timer worker बनो | कोई revolutionary marriage करके समाज को मज़बूत बना दो |” (5)

SUMMARY

The Ananda Marga revolutionary marriage system is an important dynamic for building a healthy human society. Throughout history, marriage has been used as a tool to either exlude or include various sections of humanity. Now, for the first time ever, the world bears witness to the ultimate system of marriage that will yield unparalled results. Yet the very Dadas (and some family acaryas) in charge of overseeing Baba's revolutionary marriage have seemingly defaulted. Otherwise, how else to explain the above meltdown where a caste marriage was performed complete with a dowry. Baba Himself personally fought against this in the 1950s or even earlier. Now, decades and decades later, our top Wt administrators are jettisoning our Ananda Marga back into the stone ages on this critical matter.

Namaskar,
in Him,
Ananta


Note 1: JUST DONKEY MARRIAGE NOTHING MORE

The aforementioned marriage in Balasore, Odisha was nothing but a donkey marriage. Superficially, they had everything ready in terms of proper outfits and acaryas on hand etc, but upon closer examination the foundations of this marriage were completely bogus as it was wrapped up in caste and dowry dogma etc. The entire marital function and ceremony contravened Ananda Marga ideals. That is why it is called a donkey marriage. On the outside it looks like Ananda Marga but in reality it is not Ananda Marga. That is what is meant by donkey.

It is just like if one is doing sadhana sitting in a very erect position hoping that someone will notice him in sadhana and be impressed. But internally, that "meditator" is just thinking about himself, not Parama Purusa. So this is not real sadhana; it is just donkey sadhana. It looks like sadhana but on closer look it is clear it is just donkey sadhana.

Same is the case with the aforementioned marriage in Odisha. To the untrained eye and non-sadhaka, it may look like an Ananda Marga marriage, but to every sincere Ananda Margii it is evident that this was just a donkey marriage.



REFERENCES
1. Ananda Vacanamrtam - 7, Bhaerava and Bhaeravii
2. Namah Shiváya Shántáya, Disc: 14
3. AFPS-3, Genius and Technician
4. Kra’ntika’rii Viva’ha, Deoghar 1/8/84, General Darshan, Not Printed
5. PS Purport 1030 + WT Discourse – 2, 1/14/1984 Patna, Not Printed

#4 Re: Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD



Re: Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD

~ Part 4 ~

Namaskar.
The following is in reply to respected Dada Abhidevanandji's letter.

Dada Abhidevanandji wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, this tradition [of celebrating the death day] exists in every religious tradition and in every country. The tradition is found in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and so on. It is observed in every country of the world with various types of celebration, sometimes quite festive. Consider, for example, St. Patrick's Day, which occurs annually on the month and day that St. Patrick died.

Reply:

The religions which Res / Dadaji  quoted are full of irrational, illogical and unscientific thoughts and dogmas. I am surprised how such a senior Dada is comparing the dharma of Ananda Marga with these religions. Everyone who has gone through AM philosophy clearly feels that it contains only the truth both in principle and in practice whereas other philosophies are incomplete and possess many practical defects.

Another logic is that those specific example Res Dadaji has quoted as a trusted logic is senseless because the exponents of Christianity never claimed Jesus Christ as God, but son of god. As we all are sons and daughters of God so if anyone dogmatically celebrates his death anniversary it cannot be compared to the scientific truth.

All in all, it is very appalling that Dada Abhidevanandji is stating that just because the religions were doing something like an annual death day ceremony then we should also do that same thing. We all know that the religions are dogmatic from beginning to end. In that case, why should our Ananda Marga emulate those religions. Ananda Marga does not appreciate religious dogma from the Buddhism, Hinduism and the Semitic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam etc, or any dogma. Why should we emulate their dogma or feel justified in doing something just because the religions do it. That is a wholly irrational idea.

In the past when Taraka Brahma graced this earth with His august and divine presence and expounded the teachings of bhagavad dharma, then Hindu priests soiled those teachings by dragging in their own selfish and religious dogmas. This happened during Lord Shiva's time, and then again with Lord Krsna. Now also, in our Ananda Marga we are seeing those at the helm do this same thing with Lord Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji's divine teachings. One key evidence of this is how they have invented and imposed this dogma of mahaprayan.

Rev. Baba's advent has been only to remove these unscientific thoughts and dogmas from the society and establish true humanity and Bhagvad Dharma. So if Res / Dadaji wants to follow the dogmatic religions, he is free to do so by himself, but he should not misguide others to follow him like that of a fox without a tail. In one sentence I would say that Res / Dadaji's comparison of AM with the dogmatic religions cannot be accepted by any person having scientific mind.


Dada Abhidevanandji wrote:
If one were to complain about celebrating Baba's life on the grounds that Baba cannot die, then why celebrate His birthday? Are we to believe that Parama Purusa did not exist prior to 1921?

Reply:

We celebrate Rev. Baba's birthday as it was started with His permission. He used to remain personally present in the function and bless the followers. He did exist before 1921 and He exists after 1990 too. In fact He only exists, none else. This is His extreme grace that we could identify Him by the name of Anandamurtiji in the form He accepted during 1921 to 1990, otherwise who out of us has the capacity to see the Formless One. The birth and death are our recognition who are bound by time and space (and these are His imagination only). "


Dada Abhidevanandji wrote:
And, anyway, are we not all of us embodiments of eternal Brahma?

Reply:

When Res / Dadaji recognizes himself to be the embodiment of eternal Brahma why he is fond of celebrations of life and death? Is it not beyond any logic or scientific principle?


At last I would most humbly and respectfully request all our seniors to follow the code of conduct according to Caryacarya and AM constitution (showing different Boards like Purodha, Avadhuta, Acharya and Tattvik Board) and leave all which is irrational, illogical and unscientific.

You are the exponents of Bhagvad-dharma. You should not sow the seeds of complexes due to vanity in any form otherwise AM will face the same consequences as the other religions of the past. And for this deed, future generations will never forgive you.

Namaskar,
In Him
Dr. T.R. Sukul

Re: Reply to Bibhansu on Dada Abhidevananda On MPD

Baba

Re: Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD

Namaskar,

               The contents in the above mail refer to the mentality of those tremendously influenced by Avidya( i.e. Avarni and Vikshep both) Maya. Such persons are unable to see the right thing due to curtain (Avaran) and can not think properly on right thing due to deflection (Vikshep) of Avidya Shakti. 

              This brother recognizes Rev. Baba as Tarak Brahm but is unable to see the unscientific, illogical and irrational imposition in terms of MPD (which is against Charyacharya prescribed by Tarak Brahma Himself) due to the same reason. Such type of persons are unable to apply their mind properly and are found annoyed if they are suggested to do so which is apparent in this mail. This brother is in serious confusion as he treats dogma (of MPD) as devotion and asks others to follow this dogma to do Baba's work,  isn't it a ridiculous statement? 

                 It is very simple to understand that any follower of Rev. Baba  can only be said to work for Baba when he follows His directions given in Charyacharya. If one does not follow the guideline of Charyacharya or goes against it, he can not be treated as His follower. Since MPD is not prescribed in CC, the entire exercise to organize and celebrate this program is only to misguide others for selfish motive of a few of us.

                 Let us transmit Vidya Maya (specially Samvit Shakti) to hammer on their minds in order to know and understand the difference between devotion and dogma and sanctity of devotional sentiment and dry intellect. For this, our messages through these mails are the proper way to bring them on right track because after all they are also our brothers.

Respectfully
Dr TR Sukul


On 10/20/2013 05:47 PM, Ananda Marga News Bulletin wrote:
Subject: Re: Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:31:27 -0700
From: Bibhansu Maiti <bee
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

Re: Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD

Namaskar,
Instead of of polluting the devotional sanctity of MPD and blackmailing imotion of devotees do some work for Baba, if tou really think Baba as Tarak Brahma. Only high sounding word will not work. Now people throw all these mails to dustbin. MPD is one of the most devotional function of AM where thousands of margiis enjoy His bliss. 

May Baba lead us in right path. It will be continuing for ever. You can never stop it. Baba wants devotion not dry intellect.

I think you will have courage to display my mail.

Bibhansu Maiti

Re: Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD




Re: Reply to Dada Abhidevananda On MPD

Namaskar,
Instead of of polluting the devotional sanctity of MPD and blackmailing imotion of devotees do some work for Baba, if tou really think Baba as Tarak Brahma. Only high sounding word will not work. Now people throw all these mails to dustbin. MPD is one of the most devotional function of AM where thousands of margiis enjoy His bliss. 

May Baba lead us in right path. It will be continuing for ever. You can never stop it. Baba wants devotion not dry intellect.

I think you will have courage to display my mail.

Bibhansu Maiti

Saturday, October 19, 2013

Reply to Dada Abhidevananda on MPD

Baba


REPLY TO DADA ABHIDEVANANDA ON MPD


Namaskar,
Following are three replies that you may have reviewed on another network. For your information we pass these letters directly to you now.
in Him, Eds.
Reply

=== #1 ===



Subject: Re: Request for Comment on Abhidevananda's MPD statement
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:50:50 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo <amrit.la......ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga Universal <anandamargauniversal@earthlink.net>


Re: Request for Comment on Abhidevananda's MPD statement

Note: The following letter is a satire and no malice is intended. Satire is simply a genre of literature to express a particular idea in a humorous manner. Like all literature, it is an art form. - Eds

Re: Happy Mahaprayan Celebration
Namaskar all fellow mourners.

The subject of todays discussion is Ac. Abhidevananda Avdt.

"You are having me in stitches with laughter.  Namaskar Dada Abhidevananda, a VERY HAPPY MAHAPRAYAN CELEBRATION to you too.You are sooo funny. I am rolling on the floor with laughter."

Dada Abhidevananda is so humorous that Chris Rock and other stand-up comedians together with Abhidevananda were scheduled to perform at the Durga pooja in Kolkota on the 21st. October 2013 as part of the (CHRIS ROCK-you must be joking- WORLD TOUR). As you all know, Dada is so passionate about attending MPD that he turned down the invite by Chris Rock. Of course Chris Rock  tickets already sold out) was very disappointed and upset and called off the World Tour. Millions of Abhidevananda fans were in tears.  (In keeping with the Mahaprayan Solemn Festival). Abhidevananda also had a hearty cry but he did invite Chris Rock to MPD festival.

Abhidevananda is highly religious. Although an Ananda Margii, he is often in Israel to celebrate  each and every Jewish festival. On Jewish holidays he takes the day off.

Abhidevananda is also the direct disciple of Swami Bhaskarananda. You all know Dada Bhaskaranada.  Before Baba left His physical body Baba spoke to him personally.

Note: The below quote is not really a quote from Baba rather this is what Bhaskaranandji claims that Baba told him, But it is such an outrageous, preposterous, and absurd claim that everyone makes joke about this becaues Sadguru Baba would never tell someone to join a particular narrow-minded group. That is why everyoe laughts about this. The writer is expressing himself in an artful way. - Eds

Baba said, "Bhaskarananda, you know, Ananda Marga will be divided into two clans, the Ranchi clan and the Bengalii clan and you know that I (Baba) am Bengalii. I love Bengal and Bengaliis more than any other in the world. I want you to join the Bengalii faction. The Bengalii samaj has to take precedent over all other unimportant samajs." These were Babas words. (laughter)

Abhidevananda is one of the very few intellectuals in Ananda Marga. He just cannot be wrong in saying that Ananda Marga is not Dharma but a religion with its own built in dogmas. He must also be correct in saying that Death ceremonies are celebrated by all religious traditions and why should Ananda Marga be different. Babas advent on this planet lacks purpose.There is no need to change anything.

Baba was only joking when he said the period of mourning should not extend beyond 12 days.

Being one of our intellectuals he must also be correct in concluding that dowry, casteism,  division and dogmas are widely accepted by all humans so why should Ananda Margiis be different. CC and Baba discourses should not be taken seriously.

Abhidevananda was with Baba since the very early days. He does not need to read, let alone study, Babas books including CC. Dada is a writer himself so he is entitled to interpret AM philosophy as he desires.

Abhidevananda does not miss a single MPD in Kolkata. In fact he has a permanent jelebi stall strategically located at the entrance of the Memorial (in loving memory of God who abandoned us on the 21st Oct. 1990). All entering this holy thiirtha has to buy a least one jelebi.

All in all Abhidevananda is a very strong supporter of the Kolkota faction. He will soon be replacing Dada Kalyaneshvarananda the spin doctor for the Kolkata faction who has announced his early retirement. Abhidevananda invitation to MPD will become greatly appealing (note that he has a vested interest -selling jelebis). Look out for the invites- collectors item- always keep a copy in your wallet for good luck.

Pilgrimage to this thiirta will definitely increase. Nobody can resist those jelebis.

Even during Babas physical presence the annual Mahaprayan celebration has always been the high for Abhidevananda as you may all know that Baba himself has included MPD in CC.

All said and done, Abhidevananda is always a disciplined WT following every instruction given by his superiors. He never ever wavered on TP and RDS and especially MPD.  Just ask his superiors.


ON A SERIOUS NOTE:

Dada Abhidevananda is a self-confessed, sorry, self- proclaimed pseudo-intellectual who really does not honestly believe in what he, in this instance, is advocating. He is having great fun at the expense of MPD and Kolkota faction. He is having a field day - note the use of words "happy mahaprayan celebration" despite the MPD directive saying that it a solemn occasion. His arguments are flimsy incoherent debris - devoid of substance - very unlike Abhidevananda.

Dada is a known loyalist of the Ranchi faction.  Being in the same category as Dada Bhaskarananda, his trademark is Argument for the sake of Argument. Ironically, though, Bhaskarananda and he belong to opposing factions.

Abhidevananda CANNOT and must NOT be taken seriously.

In Him who is Eternal
Amrit


=== #2 ===



Subject: Reply to Abhidevananda Dada on Mahaprayan
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:38:22 +0530
From: Devesh Kumar <deveshkum.....ail.com>
To: anandamarg <anandamarg@googlegroups.com>

Reply to Abhidevananda Dada on Mahaprayan

Namaskar Abhidevananda Dada,

We are surprised to learn that you have compared our beloved Baba (Tarak Brahma, Mahasambhuti,  Param Purusa, Cosmic conciseness) with so called human beings of religious belief like Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and wrote example of St. Patrick's Day, which occurs annually on the month and day that St. Patrick died. (https://www.facebook.com/Abhidevananda/about)

Whether you consider our Taraka Brahma as human being? How do you dare to compare our beloved Baba with human St. Patrick. You should feel ashamed. In Sixteen points, we are taught to follow “Non compromising strictness” for “Ista” and “Adarsha”. How can you compare our “ISTA” with such a human being? Shame! Shame! Shame! BABA can only be compared with Mahasambhuti “Lord Krishna” and “Lord Shiva”.


Secondly, you raised question about celebration of Baba’s Birth Day and compared with Mahaprayan. Have you studied Caryacarya? BABA HIMSELF instructed to celebrate “Ananad Purnima” in Caryacarya which happens on “Advent day of Mahasambhuti  Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiijii” on earth. BABA never instructed to observe or celebrate “death day”.


Baba has clearly instructed in Caryacarya, Baba Says- “…..The period of mourning should not extend beyond twelve days…..”. Then why we have been observing “Mahaprayan” mourning for last 23 years? Why we are not following Caryacarya?

In CaryaCarya, in the list of festivals, death day observation is not included. Baba says,” The soul of the deceased does not get any advantage from Shraddha (Death Ceremony)”. That is why; there is no use of celebration of “Death Day”.


Devotees always enjoy the Kirtan. But….. Do arrange kirtan to support HIS presence, not to support Baba has gone forever like you do in Mahaprayan. Why don’t you arrange six days kiirtan on Ananda Purnima? The preparation of Mahaprayan observation by Kolkata group supersedes that of preparation for Ananda Purnima.  Huge scale lobbying for margiis to attend Mahaprayan programme is going on. Why same effort is not being exercised for Ananda Purnima celebration.

World do not observe physical departure day of “Lord Shiva and Lord Krishna”. Never ever once did Baba comment on the exact day, time, or place of Lord Krsna's passing away day. Never did Baba highlight this occasion as a point of remembrance or celebration. Rather He carefully avoided this matter. Not even in His books, Namami Krsnasundaram and Namah Shivaya Shantaya, does He mention the day or date.


In Hindu dogma, every year religious priests organise this type of “mourning / celebration” for commemoration of deceased person. And there they do kiirtan also they do (a) mass feeding, (b) katha kiirtan and (c) repetition of their rituals. etc So same Hindu dogma about “Death ceremony” entered into Kolkata AMPS and is sitting on high pedestal & well respected with new name-- "Mahaprayan". Please remember what Baba Says, “Dogma No More….Dogma No More….”

At HIS Lotus Feet,
Devesh Kumar
Mumbai


=== #3 ===


Subject: Re: Request for Comment on Abhidevananda's MPD statement
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:58:04 +0800 (SGT)
From: narayan panda <tatnam.....o.co.in>
To: Ananda Marga Universal <anandamargauniversal@earthlink.net>

Re: Request for Comment on Abhidevananda's MPD statement

Namaskar.

I agree with Devesh dada's reply.

N. Panda


Friday, October 11, 2013

Really These are Annual Death Ceremony Theme Songs

Baba


REALLY THESE ARE ANNUAL DEATH CEREMONY THEME SONGS

Namaskar,
Here is a short excerpt from Wikipedia that bears significance for us as it is related with an upcoming program.


WIKIPEDIA:

DEATH ANNIVERSARY IN THE MAJOR RELIGIONS

A death anniversary is a custom observed in several Asian cultures including India, China, Pakistan, Israel, Georgia, Iran, Japan, Korea, Philippines, Russia, Hong Kong and Vietnam, as well as in other nations with significant overseas Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Jewish, and Vietnamese populations. Like a birthday, it is celebrated each year, but instead of on the date of birth of the individual being celebrated, it is celebrated on the day on which a family member or other significant individual died. There are also similar memorial services that are held at different intervals, such as every week.

Although primarily a manifestation of ancestor worship, the tradition has also been associated with Confucianism and Buddhism (in East Asian cultural civilizations) or Hinduism (South Asia but mainly in India).

Death anniversaries are also commemorated in Judaism (the majority religion of Israel) where it is called by various names. (From Wikipedia)


Now one such program hosted by Kolkata is nearing - here below is a critical point related with this program. Let us begin by considering this first query.


QUESTION #1:

Has Parama Purusa Baba really composed theme songs for MPD?


REPLY #1:

In order to respond to this query we must consider the circumstances. Basically, when anyone is trying to impose their own special interest on others then they create logic and reasoning to justify their endeavour to reach their desired goal.

For instance, when those Hindu priests introduced Lord Ganesh - the elephant deity - then to legitimize Lord Ganesh they claimed he was the son of Lord Shiva. This was the way that those priests lured the people into embracing the elephant god, Ganesh. Without that the common folk would not have accepted Ganesh. If they thought Ganesh was just an elephant nobody would have worshiped him.

In a similar manner, a certain group nowadays has their agenda to highlight their particular geographical region and turn a particular day into a grand gathering. To legitimize their agenda and get people to rally around their MPD program, they took help from Baba's divine collection of Prabhat Samgiita by labeling some compositions as songs for mahaprayan. This was their tactic to bring legitimacy to their plan of hosting a big gathering each year in Tiljala. Without that, the people would be less inclined and less convinced about their program.

Thus a few in Tiljala adopted certain Prabhat Samgiita compositions for the purpose of their own limited agenda. So these are not really mahaprayan songs; they were not composed in that way. Rather some in Tiljala simply used those songs for their chosen occasion.

Hence, just as Ganesh is not the son of Lord Shiva, selected Prabhat Samgiita are not MPD songs. In both instances, certain opportunistic people used them to legitimise their own agenda.

Now I think it is clear how and why these songs were selected and that they are not so-called mahaprayan songs. This brings us to the next question. If they are not so-called mahaprayan theme songs then what kind of songs are they?


QUESTION #2:

If Prabhat Samgiita compositions - like "Tumi esechile ka'uke na' bole" (PS #2085) and "A'ma're phele gele dhula'y avahele" (PS #4815) among others - were not specially given by Baba as annual obituary, death or anniversary songs, then what kind of songs are they?

To learn more about this read further.


MELANCHOLIC SONGS WITH POP SINGERS

Essentially, in the world of pop culture, the genre of songs known as melancholic songs denotes a time when one's lover is not coming as close as they desire or wish. Nowadays so many radio stations play and pop icons sing songs about how they wish to hold their lover. And now they are completely upset, languishing in so much heartache and pain. This is a very common theme in songs for teens and pop-culture. This is a melancholic song in the worldly sense.


MANY DEVOTIONAL POETS HAVE EXPRESSED MELANCHOLIC LONGING:

THE DESIRE TO A CLOSER RELATION WITH THEIR LORD

There are also religious songs that are grounded in the idea of melancholic longing. Most of the major religions have a genre of compositions expressing that their Lord is not as close as they want. So the religious seeker is longing for their Lord to come within their vision or grasp.

This type of melancholic feeling is found in Sufi songs, Buddhist songs, Christian songs, Hindu songs, and in songs of so many faiths. And in each one, the message is the same: My Lord is not coming as close as I wish. Thus in these songs the idea is not that their God has left or died. These compositions were not written for an annual shraddha ceremony.

Rather the prevailing theme is that every devotee longs for God and wants greater proximity. That feeling of longing gave birth to this style of composition known as melancholic songs.

Indian devotional poets like Miirabai, Surdas, Vidyapati, Candidas and others including Ravindranath Tagore have written hundreds and even thousands of bhajans like this. In such songs, these devotional poets express the desire to have greater proximity with their Lord; and when that desire is not fulfilled then with deep longing they cry for more intimate closeness with their Ista.


PRABHAT SAMGIITA MELANCHOLIC LONGING:

NOT RELATED WITH THE COMING AND GOING OF MAHASAMBHUTI

Baba has graciously given 5018 songs. They come in all kinds of varieties. One of them is melancholic songs which express how the bhakta and Parama Purusa have a deeply loving and intimate relationship. The bhakta has great love for Him and Parama Purusa is showering His grace; even then the bhakta wants to have Him more close and is yearning and crying for Parama Purusa to come in a more intimate way. That is the overall theme of melancholic songs like "Tumi esechile ka'uke na' bale" (PS #2085) and "A'ma're phele gele dhula'ya abahele" (PS #4815).

So in Prabhat Samgiita also there are melancholic songs. Verily in Prabhat Samgiita, Baba has graciously given an entirely new approach of melancholic songs for the devotee. Because He has uniquely written songs for one's longing for Parama Purusa. Such melancholic songs perfectly depict one's longing to have Him in a deeper more intimate manner. Such songs do not mean that God has left or died.

Or more precisely we can say that melancholic songs in the Prabhat Samgiita collection have nothing to do with Mahasambhuti leaving His physical body. Indeed, these melancholic songs - of which there are a few thousand - were highly useful and relevant when Mahasambhuti Baba was physically present on this earth. Just as they are highly relevant and helping today. The reason being that those melancholic songs reflect one's psycho-spiritual or devotional link with Him. That is the key point to remember and it is one's inner feeling that creates melancholic longing, by His grace. That melancholy is not related with anything physical. Melancholic longing is a purely a devotional concept. So such songs have nothing to do with the notion that God has left or died. And these songs were not written for an annual shraddha ceremony.

That is why such compositions have absolutely nothing to do with the so-called mahaprayan (MPD) program.


MELANCHOLIC SONGS HAVE ETERNAL VALUE

So again it should be reiterated that these melancholic songs have nothing to do with Mahasambhuti Baba keeping His physical body or leaving His physical body. These melancholic Prabhat Samgiita were useful when He was physically present wherein bhaktas would sing in longing for Him and this would bring about their spiritual growth. And now also people sing these melancholic songs for their spiritual growth and longing. These songs have nothing to do with Mahasambhuti being in physical form. These songs are of eternal value. Such songs do not mean that God has left or died and they are not for an annual death ceremony.

Those who are labeling and presenting these melancholic songs as "mahaprayan" songs are abusing and manipulating that song for their own narrow agenda. This is a clear case of misusing Prabhat Samgiita. It is just like the songs of many great poets and seers have been misused as mundane love songs. Here in this case of using melancholic Prabhat Samgiita compositions as  "mahaprayan" songs, the so-called vanguard of Ananda Marga is abusing these songs in broad daylight. And this must stop.

In conclusion, these melancholic songs are wholly related with one's psycho-spiritual feeling and have nothing to do with Mahasambhuti leaving His physical body.

The thousands of melancholic songs Baba has graciously given are eternal gifts for one's spiritual growth and development. These devotional compositions do not mean that God has left or died. They are not for any type of annual shraddha ceremony.


REVIEW OF QUESTIONS

QUESTION #1:

Has Parama Purusa Baba really composed theme songs for MPD?

ANSWER #1:

No, Parama Purusa Baba does not appreciate MPD and He has not composed a single song for this purpose.


QUESTION #2:

If Prabhat Samgiita compositions - like "Tumi esechile ka'uke na' bole" (PS #2085) and "A'ma're phele gele dhula'y avahele" (PS #4815) among others - were not specially given by Baba as annual obituary, death or anniversary songs, then what kind of songs are they?

ANSWER #2

These types of songs are highly melancholic and devotional in nature where the bhakta has a deeply personal and close connection with Parama Purusa Baba. These songs have nothing to do with the Mahasambhuti leaving His physical body. Yet unfortunately, since 1990, some have labeled certain songs as "MPD" theme songs.

Namaskar,
at His lotus feet,
Malika Mukherjee


Note 1: IMPORTANT DISTINCTION:

MELANCHOLIC SONGS ARE NOT FOR PARTICULAR SOCIAL OCCASIONS

Baba has given songs for all kinds of festivals including shraddha and Ananda Purnima. And melancholic songs are a completely different genre.


Note 2: LINKS TO PRIOR LETTERS ON THIS TOPIC

#1: http://anandamargauniversal.blogspot.com/2013/08/god-is-no-more-gone-far-away.html

#2: http://anandamargauniversal.blogspot.com/2013/09/baba-story-celebrate-occasion-or-not.html

#3: http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/09/islamic-dogma-came-into-ananda-marga.html

#4: http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/09/history-how-margiis-brought-to-mpd.html

#5: http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/10/annual-shraddha-ceremony.html

#6: http://anandamarganewsbulletin.blogspot.com/2013/10/question-answer-on-upcoming-program.html


REFERENCES
1. Caryacarya – 1, Shraddha Ceremony
2. Ananda Vacanamrtam – 3, Shraddha

Thursday, September 19, 2013

"Prone to Bengalis" - Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda - Part H

Subject: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013
From: narayan panda <...........@yahoo.co.in>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

Baba


MEETING WITH DADA BHA'SKARA'NANDA - PART H:

"PRONE TO BENGALIS"

Namaskar,
Here is the eighth and concluding section of this series of the discussion between Shrii Narayan Panda (BP, Vishakapatnam) and Acarya Bhaskarananda Avt. For your easy reference, links to earlier letters are appended below.

As a reminder, in the beginning of this series, it was presented how Dada Bhaskaranandji made the following false statements based upon his own misunderstanding:

- Dada Bhaskaranandji's first false claim was: "Ba'ba' gave Proutist Bengal because He wanted that Prout should first be established in Bengal and then in other areas."

- Dada Bhaskaranandji's second false claim was: "What Bengal thinks today, India & others think tomorrow. So PROUT will be established in Bengal first and then it will be spread to other areas."

- Dada Bhaskaranandji's third false claim was: "After all, Ba'ba' supported Bengal so much. Shabda Cayanika was given in Bengali, Baba lived in Bengal after 1980 when the organisation was big, Prabhat Samgiita was given in Bengali."

Such were the justifications given by Dadaji.

In response, Shrii Narayan Panda has presented logic and reasoning to demonstrate that Baba is not partial to Bengal and the Amara Bengali samaj. Baba has equal love for all samajas of the globe. Secondly, it was demonstrated that Shabda Cayanika is an investigation into the Sanskrit language, not Bengali. Verily the publishers themselves admit that Shabda Cayanika is based on Sanskrit.

"Guru in the Vedic language is derived gur + un; in later Sanskrit as gu + ru. The contents of this chapter consists of an elaboration on the word Gurusakásha. The author's discourse on that day entailed linguistic discussion of a number of Sanskrit terms; the discussion of each term became an entry in the author's linguistic encyclopedia Shabda Cayaniká (“Collection of Words”). –Eds." (Under the Shelter of the Guru - Footnote #1, 10 June 1990, Kolkata)

And there were many more dharmic and logical points which Pandaji raised which you can access by reading the letters appended below.

Continuing on in the discussion, Dada Bhaskaranandji advocated two more flawed positions. Here is Dada Bhaskaranandji's first faulty claim:

1) Bengali should be treated as the "original" language for all of Baba's discourses.

That means even if Baba has delivered the discourse originally in English, Hindi or any other language, then that original English, Hindi etc should be translated into Bengali, which then becomes the new master or "original." Then using the Bengali as the new source text, the discourse should be translated from Bengali back into Hindi, and from Bengali to English and then into other languages. So even though it is a Hindi discourse, Dada Bhaskaranandji claims that Bengali should be treated as the original. And on the inside of the book it should state: "Translated from the original Bengali." They want to make it appear as though Baba delivered every discourse in Bengali when in fact Baba originally gave discourses in many other languages. So this is the way Dada Bhaskaranandji and certain Publications officials want to publish Baba's discourses.

Here is Dada Bhaskaranandji's second faulty claim:

2) Those in attendance for Baba's English DMC discourses were not up to the proper standard so Baba spoke in simple or "peasant" English.

Specifically English-knowing margiis and those knowing other languages besides Bengali who attended DMC were of a lowly standard so Baba used "peasant" English to communicate with them. Hence it was necessary to rewrite those English discourses into Bengali and then re-translate that Bengali back into proper English.

Thus, Dada Bhaskarananda is seriously insulting all non-Bengalis (Hindi, English & other language speakers) by saying that their mental standard (i.e. intelligence) was so low - i.e. Baba had to employ "dumb English" or "pigeon English" so those dull-witted English speakers in attendance could understand; and Baba had to employ "dumb Hindi" or "pigeon Hindi" so those dull-witted Hindi speakers in attendance could understand. Hence it was needed to rewrite Baba's spoken English & spoken Hindi discourses at DMC to Bengali and then translate that into respectable English or respectable Hindi. Whereas with Bangla, all the Bengali speakers in attendance were highly educated and of keen intellect, so Baba spoke in highly refined Bengali at DMC. In which case, those Bangla discourses could be printed "as is". This is the outrageous claim that Dada Bhaskaranandji makes. Dadaji's misguided analysis smacks of narrow-minded, communal sentiments.

This concludes the editors summarized introduction and again we pick up with Shrii Narayan Panda's words.



MAIN THEME:

DISCOURSES SHOULD BE PRINTED "AS IS"

All along the theme of this discussion has been that Bengali must not be treated as the original language, rather each and every discourse should be printed "as is" in the original language in which Baba spoke. That is the only proper way to accurately depict and preserve the sanctity of Sadguru Baba's discourses. But Dada Bhaskaranandji's stand is the exact opposite.

This was the stand put forward by Ananda Margiis, but always those in-charge Dadas - spearheaded by Ac Sarvatmanandaji - and their followers and "spokespersons" like Dada Bhaskaranandji gave their political reply that Baba wanted that Bengali should be treated as the original language. Because people like Ac Bhaskaranandji were literally brainwashed into thinking this way by Dada Sarvatmanandaji. But we know this is not true - Bengali is not to be treated as the original for such discourses - so it sad.

Verily, in their heart of hearts, the Publications Dept also knows that Baba's discourses are to be printed "as is" in the languages in which they were originally given. This is a general overview of this series. For more details and explanations about any of the above, please refer to the links appended below.



EPILOGUE

As you can see, this senior-most Dada Bhaskaranandji has unfortunately fallen into some serious dogmas. As is the case when one falls into dogma, the person involved does not know that it has happened. So they tell their dogmatic views to anyone and everyone, without realising that they are inadvertently telecasting how their mind has become grossly dogmatic. Unfortunately this is what has happened with our senior worker, Bhaskaranandji. We should all try and help Dadaji.

I do not know why Dada fell in this way it is very painful to think of all this. It could be  that when Dada came to know that the people of Kerala migrated from Bengal then due to this socio-sentiment he became prone to Bengalis.

Many may know that Baba has explained that Bengalis migrated south to Kerala and ruled there. That is why the female custom of making the sound "Ullu" is practiced in Kerala. And Malayam (the language of Kerala) is about 92% Sanskrit, just like Bengali. Baba describes all this in Shabda Cayanika. All know that Dadaji hails from Kerala and that could be why he fell and started blindly supporting Bengal. Otherwise what could be the reason.

Regardless, we all know Bhaskaranandji to be a senior Dada whose intention is basically good, so we should all try and help him. After all he has many good qualities.


GURU'S GUIDELINES ON SCRIPTURE

[A] Baba has given sublime ideology and we must not allow any outside elements or persons to distort or twist His teachings in any way. If there is any imposition of dogma, it will have a devastating effect on humanity.

"In the scripture of the psychic world, generally called darshana sha'stra, there should not be the least sprinkling of dogmas, because this sort of philosophically-oriented dogma cumulatively
increases the distortions in the psychic world. These dogmas enter the human mind like fine needles and come out like iron ploughs. If one tries to cast them out, then the whole psychic structure is demolished. " (Namah Shivaya Shantaya, Disc: 14)


[B] Here again Baba gives us a critical warning that we are tot preserve the sancity and perfection of His discourses. We should not let them get published in the wrong way nor allow others to taint whatsoever.

"The scriptures containing spiritual injunctions must be totally flawless." (Namah Shivaya Shantaya, Disc: 14)


[C] Finally, we must pay heed to Baba's warning about those with superficial knowledge who interpret and preach about His divine teachings. Such jinanis may do to this to show-off and enhance their prestige, but in the end they lead people astray and make a fool out of themselves. That is Baba's warning.

   "The scriptures should always be interpreted by qualified scholars, competent philosophers, and penetrating thinkers. If one tries to interpret a profound scripture with superficial knowledge, the interpreter appears ridiculous and the audience is confused."      
   "There are some people who are neither scholars, nor philosophers, nor penetrating thinkers, but merely wander about interpreting scriptures as a means of livelihood. They utterly fail to present the proper matter in the correct perspective before the audience...[and] do more harm than good to the society."
    "[They] interpret the scriptures just to exhibit their intellect - to procure for themselves a certificate of erudition. They remain far from the living spirit of the scriptures." (NSS) 

Namaskar,
In Him,
Narayan Panda



REFLECTION

Namaskar,
Here I wish to share a few thoughts about in follow-up to the Shrii Narayan Panda's account.



A CASE OF BLINDNESS AND BIAS:

WHY NOT DONATE TO THE INDIAN RAILWAY AS WELL

Throughout his talks and tellings, Daa Bhaskaranandji suffers from a particular blindness and bias. Dadaji thinks that just because Baba lived in Bengal for 10 years, therefore Baba was partial to Bengal and we should be as well.

But what about this: Some silly people may claim that Baba favoured the railway department because he worked there for many years, and that we too should be partial to the Indian Railway department and donate lots of money to them. So this is all just bogus logic.

Where He lived or which language He spoke does not mean that Baba is partial to that place. Those who think in this false manner do not realise that Baba is Parama Purusa and He loves all. There is no question of any partiality. Rather He is the supreme neo-humanist, always looking upon all equally.

Namaskar,
In HIS service,
Sushanta Deva





Monday, September 2, 2013

Recent Mahaprayan (Death)

Mon 02 Sep 2013 14:38:03

Baba


== RECENT MAHAPRAYANA (DEATH) ==

Namaskar,
It is with much sorrow to share with you news of the recent mahaprayan* (death) of Ac Asheshananda which occurred today, 02 Sep 2013 at 1am in Varanasi, India. At the time of his mahaprayan he was quite senior in age, having served 49 years as a wholetime worker.

Dadaji was initiated in 1963 and in the next calendar year he completed Wt training. During the long course of his worker life, he spent approximately the first 30 years in India and then later on was posted outside sectors like Qahira and Manila. Over the many decades Dadaji served humanity well and brought many onto the path of dharma.

We are very thankful he made it this far. Dadaji had an issue with obesity and we all were concerned that he would pass much earlier. But Baba was ever-gracious and that is why he was able to make it this long.

May we all take solace in the fact that Ac Asheshananda Avt was a devoted bhakta of the Lord. Certainly he will attain mukti or moksa, accordingly. Baba will lovingly bestow His grace.

With deepest regards,
Namaskar,
at His lotus feet,
Shankar Tripathi



Note 1: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REAL MAHAPRAYAN AND FAKE MPD

Here it should be qualified that there is both real mahaprayan and fake mahaprayan. Real mahaprayan marks the death of any ordinary human being. This is the proper use of the term: To note a person's departure from this earth. That is the meaning of the mahaprayan term and that is the standard way the term is used in Indian languages.

Then there is the fake, or so-called, or dogmatic mahaprayan. That is when certain vested interests try to apply the mahaprayan term to Parama Purusa Himself. This is grossly inappropriate because when Parama Purusa Baba is that Divine Entity who is beginningless and endless and resides always in our heart, then it is entirely wrong to proclaim that He is gone.

That is why rational margiis are protesting; because the Oct 21st program is so-called mahaprayan. So-called means that something is fake. Parama Purusa is eternal, thus for some vested interests to declare "mahaprayan of Parama Purusa" is nothing but so-called mahaprayan.

Mahaprayan only really happens in the case of human beings, not Parama Purusa.


Note 2: ASTERISK NOTE ABOUT MAHAPRAYAN

* Mahaprayan (Death): Many are aware that mahaprayan (death) is the common term used in India and especially in Bengal to describe the death of an honoured or even ordinary person. In that way, the obituary columns of the newspapers of Bengal regularly cite the mahaprayan (death) of various persons of society who died or passed away.

Some may get confused and wrongly think that the word 'mahaprayan' (death) is one extraordinarily devotional term to be used in association with Parama Purusa. But that is not at all the case. Rather to do so is only to undermine the eternal presence of Parama Purusa. That is why no devotees ever use the word 'mahaprayan' in reference to Lord Shiva or Lord Krsna. Because Lord Shiva and Lord Krsna exist eternally. Then there is no question of Their mahaprayan (death).

Those who think that Baba is a mortal human being celebrate Mahaprayan on a particular day of the year related with Baba; but, in the true sense, Baba is Parama Purusa so He is eternal and there is no question of His mahaprayan.

And for those who need still more technical proof then all this can be clarified quite readily by referencing the dictionary. Specifically in the Samsad Bengali-English dictionary on page 742. Checking there it will be confirmed that the word 'mahaprayan' means death. Which is why it used to refer to the passing away of even common citizens.



Note 3: STORY- SITTING ON BABA'S LAP MEANS DIED?
(contributed by one margii)

Recently after dharmacakra, a senior margii was recounting his experiences of having dharma samiiksa with Baba.

He said, "After being punished by Baba, then He called me close and placed me on His lap - I remained there for some time soaking up His love - and He blessed me."

We all enjoyed hearing about his personal account with Baba during dharma samiiksa. When he finished telling his story, there was a call for questions. Various people posed their queries.



QUESTION BY A NEW MARGII

Towards the end, one new margii raised his hand and asked, "How did Baba bring you back to life?"

Everyone stared at the new margii in amazement. There was a look of astonishment all around - people were really shocked to hear him say this.

The new sadhaka sensed that something was awry.

He said very matter-of-factly, "I thought that sitting on Baba's Lap means that he (the margii) died - that is why I asked that question."

This was quite eye-opening for those of us in the room: Through our language and expression we had unknowingly taught someone to think that being on Baba's lap is the equivalent of death. Because it seems that nowadays people only use the phrase "Baba's lap" when a person has died, such as "Let him rest peacefully in Baba's lap", as if all who have died have accumulated there. Many emails have been written this way.


MUST NOT ONLY REFER TO DEATH

At that moment I thought that everyone, new and old, should be clear about the real and devotional meaning of this phrase, "being on Baba's lap." It should not become stigmatized such that it only means death. Because in its true sense, the phrase "being on Baba's lap" really does carry a highly devotional and sweet feeling.

It is just like how a small child sits on its parent's lap. In a similar way, a spiritual child (human being) sits on the lap of Parama Purusa. By Baba's grace this can happen anytime in one's sadhana, especially in dhyana. Such a phrase then should not become  stigmatized because too many people only use it at the time of death.

We should be careful that we do not relegate "Baba's lap" only to the point of death. All these following terms and phrases also only refer to death:

ve bhagavan ko pya're ho gaye
(he has been loved by God)

ve svarga sidhar gaye
(he has gone to heaven )

ve guzar gaye
(he passed away)

mahaprayan hoyeche
(he died)

We should ensure that the same death connotation does not get attached to, "being on Baba's lap." Because the phrase - "being on Baba's lap" - is a devotional experience that can happen today itself in sadhana, and especially in dhyana. The phrase "being on Baba's lap" should not lose this quality and only mean death. It should not meet the same dark fate as happened with the term harijan.



MUST NOT MEET SAME FATE AS HARIJAN

As we all know, these days in India nobody uses the term harijan to mean "a devotee". Whereas 70 years ago it was used in that way. The term harijan did mean bhakta. But ever since the time of Gandhi when he glued the harijan term to the lowest so-called caste, i.e so-called untouchables, nobody uses the the harijan to mean devotee. Never. Because the term harijan has been stigmatized to mean "untouchable". Nobody uses it to mean "devotee", but that is the original and true meaning of the word.

The phrase, "sitting on Baba's lap", should not meet a similar fate. It should not lose its devotional quality and just refer to one's death. That will be very negative.


A VERY DEVOTIONAL EXPRESSION

There are thousands of recorded stories by sadhakas where they use the phrase, "on Baba's lap", when describing their experiences of being with Baba: He used to bless them and bring them on His lap. People should understand the deeply devotional value of this expression, and not just think that Baba's lap means death, i.e. that you can only sit on His lap at the time of death. Still today there are thousands of margiis walking this earth who sat in Baba's lap. And not only that, there are countless more sadhakas who were blessed by Baba in dreams and dhyana wherein they sat in His lap. And still today this deeply devotional experience is attainable by sadhakas, by His grace.

There are so many ways an aspirant can reach unto Baba's lap including in sadhana and especially during dhyana. That is the main idea that should be preserved. Sadhana is a devotional practice and one can sit on Baba's lap in dhyana. We should make it cent-per-cent clear to one and all that the phrase, "sitting on Baba's lap", does not mean death.



RECENT EXAMPLES

Here are quoted lines from recently posted emails on various forums, wherein the writer uses the phrase - "in Baba's lap" - with the occasion of death:

- "We are sure that Baba has taken him in His loving lap."

- "May his soul rest in Baba's lap forever."

- "Let her rest peacefully in Baba's Lap - which she always desired."

- "now he is in beloved Baba's lap"

- "May his soul get peaceful place in His lap"

- "He is now in BÁBÁ'S loving lap"

- "May Baba bless him with a seat in His lap."

- "May BABA accept him in HIS divine lap!"

- "May Baba take him in his eternal loving lap."

- "Please keep him on Your lap forever."

All of the above lines are commonly written in eulogizing the deceased. Of course, it is fine to write like that. Here the point is that this same phrase "in Baba's lap" should also be used when describing one's devotional practices and experiences. But these days mostly it is used in a eulogy and rarely used to recount one's devotional experiences - unfortunately. By this way, the phrase "in Baba's lap" is being misused and step by step the real meaning is being forgotten as now people more commonly use the phrase to eulogize those who have died, and much less so to express their devotional feeling. Unfortunately, the meaning and inner spirit of the phrase is getting lost.

Wednesday, August 21, 2013

Chapter on Lalu deleted from Bihar textbooks


Chapter on Lalu deleted from Bihar textbooks

J P Yadav : Patna, January 8, Tue Jan 08 2008, 23:44 hrs

RJD chief Lalu Prasad Yadav will no more be a part of school education in Bihar. From the academic session beginning April, the chapter eulogising Lalu will be deleted from the Hindi textbook of class VIII students. The chapter had been incorporated in the textbook way back in 1993 when Lalu was Bihar Chief Minister.

Although the Nitish Kumar Government had decided to delete the chapter on Lalu soon after coming to power, it took them over two years to implement it. Human Resource Development Minister Brishen Patel told The Indian Express on Tuesday that all formalities have been completed and Lalu's chapter has been deleted from all new Hindi textbooks. "Lalu will be replaced by famous Dalit activist Jyotiba Phule," Patel declared.

Justifying the move, Patel said that the man who had destroyed the state could not be a role model for students. "Moreover, a man's contribution to society is assessed after the completion of his career. But Lalu figured in textbooks only a couple of years after he became the CM," Patel said. Interestingly, Patel in 1993 was not only a Lalu protégé but also a minister in his Cabinet.

The RJD, meanwhile, has charged the state Government with yet another act of "political vendetta". Party leader Rambachan Rai, who had edited the book and was subsequently rewarded with a berth in the state's Upper House, justified the chapter by saying that Lalu continues to be an inspirational figure for children from the deprived section who are scared of dreaming big.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/chapter-on-lalu-deleted-from-bihar-textbooks/259287/

Wednesday, August 7, 2013

"Non-Bengalis, i.e. Other Langauge Speakers Are Dull-Witted" - Part G

Subject: Meeting with Dada Bha'skara'nanda
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 06:27:36 +0800 (SGT)
From: narayan panda <...........@yahoo.co.in>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin

Baba

MEETING WITH DADA BHA'SKARA'NANDA - PART G:

"NON-BENGALIS, I.E. OTHER LANGUAGE SPEAKERS, ARE DULL-WITTED"

Namaskar,
Here is the seventh section of this series of the discussion between Shrii Narayan Panda (BP, Vishakapatnam) and Acarya Bhaskarananda Avt. For your easy reference, links to earlier letters are appended below.

As a very brief summary, Dada Bhaskarananda advocated two flawed positions:

1) Bengali should be treated as the "original" language for all of Baba's discourses.

That means even if Baba has delivered the discourse originally in English, Hindi or any other language, then that original English, Hindi etc should be translated into Bengali, which then becomes the new master or "original." Then using the Bengali as the new source text, the discourse should be translated from Bengali back into Hindi, and from Bengali to English and then into other languages. So even though it is a Hindi discourse, Dada Bhaskaranandaji claims that Bengali should be treated as the original. And on the inside of the book it should state: "Translated from the original Bengali." They want to make it appear as though Baba delivered every discourse in Bengali when in fact Baba originally gave discourses in many other languages. So this is the way Dada Bhaskaranandji and certain Publications officials want to publish Baba's discourses.

Here is Dada Bhaskaranandji's second claim:

2) Those in attendance for Baba's English DMC discourses were not up to the proper standard so Baba spoke in simple or "peasant" English.

Specifically English-knowing margiis and those knowing other languages besides Bengali who attended DMC were of a lowly standard so Baba used "peasant" English to communicate with them. Hence it was necessary to rewrite those English discourses into Bengali and then re-translate that Bengali back into proper English.

Thus, Dada Bhaskarananda is seriously insulting all non-Bengalis (Hindi, English & other language speakers) by saying that their mental standard (i.e. intelligence) was so low - i.e. Baba had to employ "dumb English" or "pigeon English" so those dull-witted English speakers in attendance could understand; and Baba had to employ "dumb Hindi" or "pigeon Hindi" so those dull-witted Hindi speakers in attendance could understand. Hence it was needed to rewrite Baba's spoken English & spoken Hindi discourses at DMC to Bengali and then translate that into respectable English or respectable Hindi. Whereas with Bangla, all the Bengali speakers in attendance were highly educated and of keen intellect, so Baba spoke in highly refined Bengali at DMC. In which case, those Bangla discourses could be printed "as is". This is the outrageous claim that Dada Bhaskaranandji makes. Dadaji's misguided analysis smacks of narrow-minded, communal sentiments.


MAIN THEME:

DISCOURSES SHOULD BE PRINTED "AS IS"

All along the theme of this discussion has been that Bengali must not be treated as the original language, rather each and every discourse should be printed "as is" in the original language in which Baba spoke. That is the only proper way to accurately depict and preserve the sanctity of Sadguru Baba's discourses. But Dada Bhaskaranandji's stand is the exact opposite.

This was the stand put forward by Ananda Margiis, but always those in-charge Dadas - spearheaded by Ac Sarvatmanandaji - and their followers and "spokespersons" like Dada Bhaskarananda gave their political reply that Baba wanted that Bengali should be treated as the original language. Because more people like Ac Bhaskaranandji were literally brainwashed into thinking this way by Dada Sarvatmanandaji. But we know this is not true - Bengali is not to be treated as the original for such discourses - so it sad. And here is the proof.

Verily, in their heart of hearts, the Publications Dept also knows that Baba's discourses are to be printed "as is" in the languages in which they were originally given. Read below for evidence of this.


THEIR UGLY TRACK RECORD

Throughout the 1990's, the then Publications department (of course influenced by Dada Sarvatmanandji) committed a lot of sins by attempting to permanently destroy and alter Baba's divine words. They ruined the bhukti pradhan system by tossing aside Baba's original guidelines and creating the Fake BP Manual, inserted "translated from the original Bengali" at the beginning of every book, plus they invented the Fake Ananda Vaniis and countless other dogmas like Mahaprayan etc. In short, they made a black stain on our Ananda Marga.

In the wake of all the protests to these crimes, they felt they needed to respond to margiis appeals not to distort Baba's words. They had to prove themselves to the margiis.


ASSIGNMENT GIVEN TO DADA A

So they ordered Dada Acyutananda to create one book that was true to Baba's words. And that book was Ananda Vacanamrtam part 34 (2000). In that publication, Dada Acyutananda tried somewhat to write every word down "as is" and what could not be heard, he wrote "inaudible". In a phrase, he tried to transcribe everything from the original cassette - but he fell short of the mark in many ways because he is not habituated to listening to Baba's discourses, whereas those accustomed to listening to Baba's discourses can catch those words. Or it could be that some were not pleased with Dada Acyutananda's endeavor so they gave him a poor quality cassette to transcribe. Perhaps that is why he missed many words. Whatever may be the case, Dada Acyutananda had many lapses in his work, but at least they did not impose any of their Bangalistanisms. In the end there were many mistakes and blank spots, but in their effort they tried to create an "as is" book to show to the margiis to regain their trust etc.


WHY DID TEAM TILJALA DO LIKE THIS?

Why did team Tiljala do like this? Why did they create a book "as is" from the original cassette. Because they KNEW - they knew in their heart of hearts - that this was Baba's system and in order to get back the trust and faith of margiis, they felt they had to follow Baba's system - at least once. So they did it.

This printing in 2000 of AV-34 indeed proves that they know that this is the proper way to publish an Ananda Marga book. They did not invent this approach themselves. This is the way given and approved by Baba Himself. That is why team Bangalistan adopted this "as is" technique. Because they knew it was Baba's system and they needed to get themselves out of "hot water" and earn back the trust of margiis.

Plus they did the same thing with Subhasita Samgraha Part 24.

By all this it is quite clear that Dada Bhaskarananda's claims are utterly false and will fall on deaf ears - after all who is naive and gullible enough to believe those outrageous claims:

1) Bengali should be treated as the "original" language for all of Baba's discourses, regardless of which language Baba originally spoke.

2) Those in attendance for Baba's English / Hindi etc DMC discourses were not up to the proper standard so Baba spoke in simple or "peasant" English / Hindi etc.

Namaskar,
In Him,
Narayan Panda





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Sunday, July 28, 2013

Answer: Which Religions Is Being Discussed

Baba

Here is the answer to the query raised at the end of the posting, "I Am Great Because I Care Only About Myself", as to which so-called golden rule is being discussed.

Answer: Christianity & other Semitic religions

Tuesday, July 16, 2013

Ranchi sold (Leased) Muradnagar Masterunit land- scan copy attached

Subject: Fwd: Ranchi sold (Leased) Muradnagar Masterunit land- scan copy attached
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:52:32 +0530
From: Devesh Kumar <deveshkumarbaba@gmail.com>

Namaskar,

Once again, our beloved Baba's mission's properties is being sold. We have received scan copies for the same.

Muradnagar masterunit land has been leased out at a handsome cost. It is not a small incident. This incident should not be taken lightly. Ownership of entire AMPS properties lies with our beloved Baba. No body can sale it. All AM land has historical importance. Entire margii society must protest it in all possible ways.  Unless margii will protest fiercely, such WTs will take benefit of it and will continue to commit blunders.

 Our demand is to cancel the Muradnagar leased land. Those WTs who are involved in selling this land, they must make efforts to buy back. They can never be pardoned. They have committed a great sin. This act is a Gurudroha. Their way of working is not at all acceptable to margiis of the world.

At HIS FEET,

Devesh Kumar


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Divyachetananand Avadhuta <divyachetananand@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:24 AM
Subject: scan
To: Devesh Kumar <deveshkumarbaba@gmail.com>




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: nityashuddh ananda <nityashuddhananda@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:06 PM
Subject: Fw: scan
To: "divyachetananand@gmail.com" <divyachetananand@gmail.com>


Namaskar
Here is a scan copy of Moradnagar land lease document recovered from court.
divyachetananan

Write anandamargauniversal@earthlink.net for copies of the scans.

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