Baba
This email contains six sections:
1. Correspondence between margiis
2. Many Wts Don't Support MPD Dogma
3. Reply to Ex-Wt Bibhansu
4. Re: Reply On MPD Dogma
5. Tapeshvaranandji Lost His Mind On Irrational Matter Of MPD
6. Links
Namaskar,
The mahaprayan dogma is nearly upon us - it is coming soon. We should know the history of how our Ananda Marga society has moved forward. Following are various letters from margiis and Wts who have expressed their thoughts on mahaprayan.
Kindly know that this document is but one of many.
in Him
Prabhakar
Subject: Many Wts Don't Support MPD Dogma
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:19:34 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo <amrit.lall....ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Namaskar Dada Tapeshvaranandji,
You are painting all those opposed to MPD Dogma with the same brush and color- that of indiscipline. It would be unfair to do the same - those opposed to the dogma of MPD are diverse and include family people and WTs alike. Yet with rational outlook they oppose MPD dogma.
If by any chance you are under the impression that all in the anti-mahaprayan lobby are anti-Kolkata then you are ill- informed. It may well be that there are some, but from my interactions with many I must say that the majority are generally anti groupism- be it Kolkata faction or Ranchi faction or some other. I, myself, perceive Kolkota as the lesser of the evils.
Many WTs as a matter of fact don't support the mahaprayan dogma.
In the course of history serious mistakes have been made. So many injustices have been perpetrated against humanity, so many dogmas were invented, so many minds have been enslaved. Human errors in our Ananda Marga are quite conspicuous - the mayhem is very evident - groupism, fake vaniis etc. It would be unwise to label those opposed to fake vaniis as having Kolkota allergy.
Casteism and dowry are recorded events of history, yet we do not support them either. In the same we perceive MPD as an ill-conceived idea. We do not support it. We choose to stick with what Baba has mandated. Not all documents need be supported - except those documented by Baba Himself.
In the future if Kolkota organises 5 days of Kirtan in support of Ananda Purnima, I will be the the first to attend.
We as pioneers of the new trend must be of the firm resolve that these mistakes of history are remedied and that they do not again manifest in the future. If left unchecked it will only escalate. Worst of all it can set the precedent for further mishaps.
It is simple to understand that what Parama Purusa (Baba) has mandated is more than substantial.
You , Dada, are in the best position to verify this. Baba did not waste a moment - in fact - He covered each and every aspect of human endeavour.
It is also sad that margiis are being categorised - Kolkota margiis, Ranchi margiis and so forth.
Running out of time.........
Baba Nam Kevalam
Amrit
Subject: Reply to Ex-Wt Bibhansuji
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:07:53 +0530
From: Dr. Kartar Singh
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Namaskar.
It is true, the margis of the globe are understanding about this MPD dogma and not intending to go to participate. We all know the events of arrival, birth of Divine souls, Gurus…..but we never think about their death, departure. if we think ‘my Guru is no more’ and the idea of Guru’s death is in mind, then how we can do dhyana lesson?
I am from Punjab and in my area no good margii went to to Calcutta for this MPD. and here also no good margii attends
Moreover an ex-wt of Anand Marg who deserted the organisation after committing several irregularities in Marga and left Baba by breaking the vows (he took the vows by touching the Holy Feet of Tarak Brahm Baba at the time of accepting sanyas life) is now preaching the margiis of the world by writing that one must not oppose mahaprayan etc.
Such is the irony, the person who could not live up AM ideals – and instead indulged in gross deceit – is now trying to preach the gospel of dharma without ever rectifying himself nor gaining proper understanding of ideological matters. The word that keeps coming to mind is ironic.
For those who may not know, the current brother Bibanshu. who supports MPD and states that people should not be pointed out for any wrongdoing, has his own shady story. And still today he has not rectified nor addressed this.
Some years ago (pre-1990) brother Bibhansu was Ac Bhupeshananda Avt and posted in Gurukul where he was organising intellectual meetings in West Bengal state, During his tour he contacted a college going margii girl at Balurghat (near Malda) and developed secret intimacy with her. He was using her as his mistress while still wearing avadhuta dress. After collecting a good amount of organisational money, he left his WT ship and eloped with that girl.
No rational margii will ever accept the Bibhansu’s writing as somthing valid or worthwhil. Rather such words only prove Bibahnsu himself to be a hyporcite.
Namaskar,
in Him,
Dr. Kartar Singh
Subject: Re: Reply On MPD Dogma
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:02:50 -0600
From: Julio Solis <clinica...met.....l.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Namaskar. I agree with Dr. T.R. SUKUL JI's earlier letter on MPD, and thank you for sharing with all of us. I request all margiis to express on this issue. I learned from Lord Shrii Shrii Ananda Murtijii's teachings to use rationality, logic, and scientific thinking, and not just blindly follow dogma. MPD is dogma; that is why I do not support it.
Namaskar.
In Him
Gopal.
Subject: Tapeshvaranandji Lost His Mind On Irrational Matter Of MPD
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:55:22 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukulsa....ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Namaskar.
I do not believe that this letter is written by Dada Tapeshwarananda. Its language and presentation without logic indicates that it is a conspiracy done by some one of Kolkata Group.
There are so many evidences, logic and reasoning against the term Mahaprayan used for Parampurush and are presented in different letters time to time. In my opinion Dada Tapeshwarananda is a truthful Sannyasi and can not give any statement which is illogical .
But, if it is true then I would only say that he is not that Tapshwarananda who has written "living with Baba" .
Respectfully
T.R. Sukul
==> Then the full email header was sent to Dr Sukulji the clearly displayed and proved the letter was sent from Dada Tapeshvaranandji and Sukulji replied in the following manner:
Subject: Re: Tapeshvaranandji Lost His Mind On Irrational Matter Of MPD
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:25:52 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukulsa....ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Namaskar.
I am surprised. I generated great respect and love to Dada Bhaskarananda when I learnt "Glimpses of Mystery" but it just came to zero when I learnt letters of respected Pandaji.
In a similar way "Living with Baba" provided me a lot of honor and love to Dada Tapeshvarananda which I personally expressed him through his mail address and he too responded but, this mail has lessened it considerably.
I am unable to understand why such learned and senior dadas who have been so contiguous to Rev. Baba have lost their mind on such an irrational matter of MPD which is completely against Baba's teachings.
Yours,
Dr T.R. Sukul
This email contains six sections:
1. Correspondence between margiis
2. Many Wts Don't Support MPD Dogma
3. Reply to Ex-Wt Bibhansu
4. Re: Reply On MPD Dogma
5. Tapeshvaranandji Lost His Mind On Irrational Matter Of MPD
6. Links
Correspondence between margiis
Namaskar,
The mahaprayan dogma is nearly upon us - it is coming soon. We should know the history of how our Ananda Marga society has moved forward. Following are various letters from margiis and Wts who have expressed their thoughts on mahaprayan.
Kindly know that this document is but one of many.
in Him
Prabhakar
== Section 2 ==
Subject: Many Wts Don't Support MPD Dogma
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:19:34 +0200
From: Amrit Lalloo <amrit.lall....ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Many Wts don't support MPD dogma
Namaskar Dada Tapeshvaranandji,
You are painting all those opposed to MPD Dogma with the same brush and color- that of indiscipline. It would be unfair to do the same - those opposed to the dogma of MPD are diverse and include family people and WTs alike. Yet with rational outlook they oppose MPD dogma.
If by any chance you are under the impression that all in the anti-mahaprayan lobby are anti-Kolkata then you are ill- informed. It may well be that there are some, but from my interactions with many I must say that the majority are generally anti groupism- be it Kolkata faction or Ranchi faction or some other. I, myself, perceive Kolkota as the lesser of the evils.
Many WTs as a matter of fact don't support the mahaprayan dogma.
In the course of history serious mistakes have been made. So many injustices have been perpetrated against humanity, so many dogmas were invented, so many minds have been enslaved. Human errors in our Ananda Marga are quite conspicuous - the mayhem is very evident - groupism, fake vaniis etc. It would be unwise to label those opposed to fake vaniis as having Kolkota allergy.
Casteism and dowry are recorded events of history, yet we do not support them either. In the same we perceive MPD as an ill-conceived idea. We do not support it. We choose to stick with what Baba has mandated. Not all documents need be supported - except those documented by Baba Himself.
In the future if Kolkota organises 5 days of Kirtan in support of Ananda Purnima, I will be the the first to attend.
We as pioneers of the new trend must be of the firm resolve that these mistakes of history are remedied and that they do not again manifest in the future. If left unchecked it will only escalate. Worst of all it can set the precedent for further mishaps.
It is simple to understand that what Parama Purusa (Baba) has mandated is more than substantial.
You , Dada, are in the best position to verify this. Baba did not waste a moment - in fact - He covered each and every aspect of human endeavour.
It is also sad that margiis are being categorised - Kolkota margiis, Ranchi margiis and so forth.
Running out of time.........
Baba Nam Kevalam
Amrit
== Section 3 ==
Subject: Reply to Ex-Wt Bibhansuji
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:07:53 +0530
From: Dr. Kartar Singh
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Reply to ex-Wt on MPD Dogma
Namaskar.
It is true, the margis of the globe are understanding about this MPD dogma and not intending to go to participate. We all know the events of arrival, birth of Divine souls, Gurus…..but we never think about their death, departure. if we think ‘my Guru is no more’ and the idea of Guru’s death is in mind, then how we can do dhyana lesson?
I am from Punjab and in my area no good margii went to to Calcutta for this MPD. and here also no good margii attends
Moreover an ex-wt of Anand Marg who deserted the organisation after committing several irregularities in Marga and left Baba by breaking the vows (he took the vows by touching the Holy Feet of Tarak Brahm Baba at the time of accepting sanyas life) is now preaching the margiis of the world by writing that one must not oppose mahaprayan etc.
Such is the irony, the person who could not live up AM ideals – and instead indulged in gross deceit – is now trying to preach the gospel of dharma without ever rectifying himself nor gaining proper understanding of ideological matters. The word that keeps coming to mind is ironic.
For those who may not know, the current brother Bibanshu. who supports MPD and states that people should not be pointed out for any wrongdoing, has his own shady story. And still today he has not rectified nor addressed this.
Some years ago (pre-1990) brother Bibhansu was Ac Bhupeshananda Avt and posted in Gurukul where he was organising intellectual meetings in West Bengal state, During his tour he contacted a college going margii girl at Balurghat (near Malda) and developed secret intimacy with her. He was using her as his mistress while still wearing avadhuta dress. After collecting a good amount of organisational money, he left his WT ship and eloped with that girl.
No rational margii will ever accept the Bibhansu’s writing as somthing valid or worthwhil. Rather such words only prove Bibahnsu himself to be a hyporcite.
Namaskar,
in Him,
Dr. Kartar Singh
Note:
At the very bottom of this email is a link to Bibanshuji's letter.
At the very bottom of this email is a link to Bibanshuji's letter.
== Section 4 ==
Subject: Re: Reply On MPD Dogma
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 13:02:50 -0600
From: Julio Solis <clinica...met.....l.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Re: Reply on MPD Dogma
Namaskar. I agree with Dr. T.R. SUKUL JI's earlier letter on MPD, and thank you for sharing with all of us. I request all margiis to express on this issue. I learned from Lord Shrii Shrii Ananda Murtijii's teachings to use rationality, logic, and scientific thinking, and not just blindly follow dogma. MPD is dogma; that is why I do not support it.
Namaskar.
In Him
Gopal.
== Section 5 ==
Subject: Tapeshvaranandji Lost His Mind On Irrational Matter Of MPD
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:55:22 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukulsa....ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Reply to Dada T on irrational matter of MPD
Namaskar.
I do not believe that this letter is written by Dada Tapeshwarananda. Its language and presentation without logic indicates that it is a conspiracy done by some one of Kolkata Group.
There are so many evidences, logic and reasoning against the term Mahaprayan used for Parampurush and are presented in different letters time to time. In my opinion Dada Tapeshwarananda is a truthful Sannyasi and can not give any statement which is illogical .
But, if it is true then I would only say that he is not that Tapshwarananda who has written "living with Baba" .
Respectfully
T.R. Sukul
==> Then the full email header was sent to Dr Sukulji the clearly displayed and proved the letter was sent from Dada Tapeshvaranandji and Sukulji replied in the following manner:
Subject: Re: Tapeshvaranandji Lost His Mind On Irrational Matter Of MPD
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:25:52 +0530
From: tr sukul <trsukulsa....ail.com>
To: Ananda Marga News Bulletin
Namaskar.
I am surprised. I generated great respect and love to Dada Bhaskarananda when I learnt "Glimpses of Mystery" but it just came to zero when I learnt letters of respected Pandaji.
In a similar way "Living with Baba" provided me a lot of honor and love to Dada Tapeshvarananda which I personally expressed him through his mail address and he too responded but, this mail has lessened it considerably.
I am unable to understand why such learned and senior dadas who have been so contiguous to Rev. Baba have lost their mind on such an irrational matter of MPD which is completely against Baba's teachings.
Yours,
Dr T.R. Sukul
== Section 6 ==
Links
