Baba
This email contains four sections:
1. Beginning Quote: Can Dada S & Dada R etc be forgiven or not
2. Comment: Re: Dada will be remembered forever
3. Move on ensuring real justice... - Ananda Vanii
4. Links
Namaskar,
Baba says, "What is forgiveness? It means to remain free from vindictive attitudes towards anyone. Suppose someone has done something inimical to you, you, in turn, need not be revengeful or vindictive towards him or her. It is of course quite natural for an ordinary person to take revenge against someone who has done an inimical action: there’s nothing wrong if an ordinary person does that. But one who is virtuous, that is, one who has risen slightly above the rest, cannot act in this way. He or she should behave otherwise. How should a virtuous person behave? If one is satisfied that the wrong-doer’s habit has been rectified, one may pardon him or her. If someone is perpetrating atrocities on thousands of Ananda Margiis, however, one has no individual right to excuse the wrongdoer because he or she has harmed thousands of innocent people. But if a person commits atrocities on me alone, and if I am satisfied that his or her nature has been transformed, it would be proper for me as a dhármika to show forgiveness. However, if his or her nature has not been rectified, my forgiveness may result in that person becoming even more of a reckless scoundrel and in such a case forgiveness would be considered as a sign of my weakness. This is the dhármik interpretation of kśamá. That is, neither is it proper for me to blindly forgive a wrongdoer, nor is it proper for me to blindly punish a wrongdoer. We should think properly before we act. If someone goes against the collective interest of the society, a collective decision should be made whether the wrong-doer should be forgiven or not, keeping in mind whether he or she has already rectified the bad habit. No individual can take a decision in this regard arbitrarily.” (Ananda Vacanamrtam - 4, The Ten Characteristics of a Dhármika)
Note: We cannot forgive those who manipulated Ananda Marga scripture. We cannot forgive those who imposed the dogma that all discourses and books were translated from the original Bengali. We cannot forgive those who curtailed and eradicated margii rights. We cannot forgive those who committed these very atrocities yet do not show any signs of remorse or repentance. The reason is that these are social crimes - they harmed Ananda Marga society - so no individual has the right to forgive them - Dada Sarvatmananda & Dada Rudrananda etc.
We all know who these people are - everyone is aware about who committed these acts. But no single individual can forgive them because their sinful activities harmed the society.
Forgiveness is only for individual life. If someone harmed you then and you see they have rectified their ways - then you can forgive them. In such circumstances, the more forgiveness the better. But if they did not change their ways, do not forgive them. Otherwise wrongdoers will gain greater incentive to do wrong.
Those who forgive such unrepentant culprits are, unfortunately, ignorant and committing sin.
If someone commits an act that goes against society and collective interest, then no one person can forgive them. Rather an assigned body of qualified representatives - i.e. sadvipras - of the collective must review the case.
Those who manipulated Ananda Marga scripture and tore down margii rights have done irreparable damage to society. Those who committed these heinous acts may now be suffering from diseases and / or may be out of power. But that is not cause to forgive them. Baba's teachings of forgiveness are very clear and these people are not worthy of forgiveness.
There are ten wonts of dharma - right use of forgiveness (ks'ama) is the second.
In Him,
Vivek
Re: Dada will be remembered forever
Baba
Namaskar!
Bravo! Bravo! Bravissimo!!!
Excellent article in the analysis of the downfall of Shraddhananda and Sarvatmananda.
May we all learn from their mistakes in ego, pride, avarice, jealousy, and many more negative vrittis they used to bring about their downfall.
Especially, thank you for not showing any form of respect such as using the suffix, "-ji" on anyone who is a Mahapatakii. These acaryas are indeed Mahapatakiis, because they have and will have the potentiality to mislead trillions, quadrillions, countless beings with their petty egos and puny distorted minds...unless we act now, and change the consciousness of many people and replace the culprits by force if necessary. In this way, we can reverse the numerous criminal changes to Baba's teachings so that beings in the future will derive the full benefit from the return of Baba's pristine Ideology.
I know many believe this is the right thing to do.
As Baba would say, "Let us brook no further delay."
Baba Nam Kevalam!
Vyas
Here is a link to the initial letter - Dada will be remembered forever
This email contains four sections:
1. Beginning Quote: Can Dada S & Dada R etc be forgiven or not
2. Comment: Re: Dada will be remembered forever
3. Move on ensuring real justice... - Ananda Vanii
4. Links
Can Dada S & Dada R etc be forgiven or not
Namaskar,
Baba says, "What is forgiveness? It means to remain free from vindictive attitudes towards anyone. Suppose someone has done something inimical to you, you, in turn, need not be revengeful or vindictive towards him or her. It is of course quite natural for an ordinary person to take revenge against someone who has done an inimical action: there’s nothing wrong if an ordinary person does that. But one who is virtuous, that is, one who has risen slightly above the rest, cannot act in this way. He or she should behave otherwise. How should a virtuous person behave? If one is satisfied that the wrong-doer’s habit has been rectified, one may pardon him or her. If someone is perpetrating atrocities on thousands of Ananda Margiis, however, one has no individual right to excuse the wrongdoer because he or she has harmed thousands of innocent people. But if a person commits atrocities on me alone, and if I am satisfied that his or her nature has been transformed, it would be proper for me as a dhármika to show forgiveness. However, if his or her nature has not been rectified, my forgiveness may result in that person becoming even more of a reckless scoundrel and in such a case forgiveness would be considered as a sign of my weakness. This is the dhármik interpretation of kśamá. That is, neither is it proper for me to blindly forgive a wrongdoer, nor is it proper for me to blindly punish a wrongdoer. We should think properly before we act. If someone goes against the collective interest of the society, a collective decision should be made whether the wrong-doer should be forgiven or not, keeping in mind whether he or she has already rectified the bad habit. No individual can take a decision in this regard arbitrarily.” (Ananda Vacanamrtam - 4, The Ten Characteristics of a Dhármika)
Note: We cannot forgive those who manipulated Ananda Marga scripture. We cannot forgive those who imposed the dogma that all discourses and books were translated from the original Bengali. We cannot forgive those who curtailed and eradicated margii rights. We cannot forgive those who committed these very atrocities yet do not show any signs of remorse or repentance. The reason is that these are social crimes - they harmed Ananda Marga society - so no individual has the right to forgive them - Dada Sarvatmananda & Dada Rudrananda etc.
We all know who these people are - everyone is aware about who committed these acts. But no single individual can forgive them because their sinful activities harmed the society.
Forgiveness is only for individual life. If someone harmed you then and you see they have rectified their ways - then you can forgive them. In such circumstances, the more forgiveness the better. But if they did not change their ways, do not forgive them. Otherwise wrongdoers will gain greater incentive to do wrong.
Those who forgive such unrepentant culprits are, unfortunately, ignorant and committing sin.
If someone commits an act that goes against society and collective interest, then no one person can forgive them. Rather an assigned body of qualified representatives - i.e. sadvipras - of the collective must review the case.
Those who manipulated Ananda Marga scripture and tore down margii rights have done irreparable damage to society. Those who committed these heinous acts may now be suffering from diseases and / or may be out of power. But that is not cause to forgive them. Baba's teachings of forgiveness are very clear and these people are not worthy of forgiveness.
There are ten wonts of dharma - right use of forgiveness (ks'ama) is the second.
In Him,
Vivek
== Section 2 ==
Re: Dada will be remembered forever
Baba
Namaskar!
Bravo! Bravo! Bravissimo!!!
Excellent article in the analysis of the downfall of Shraddhananda and Sarvatmananda.
May we all learn from their mistakes in ego, pride, avarice, jealousy, and many more negative vrittis they used to bring about their downfall.
Especially, thank you for not showing any form of respect such as using the suffix, "-ji" on anyone who is a Mahapatakii. These acaryas are indeed Mahapatakiis, because they have and will have the potentiality to mislead trillions, quadrillions, countless beings with their petty egos and puny distorted minds...unless we act now, and change the consciousness of many people and replace the culprits by force if necessary. In this way, we can reverse the numerous criminal changes to Baba's teachings so that beings in the future will derive the full benefit from the return of Baba's pristine Ideology.
I know many believe this is the right thing to do.
As Baba would say, "Let us brook no further delay."
Baba Nam Kevalam!
Vyas
Here is a link to the initial letter - Dada will be remembered forever
== Section 3 ==
"The entire humanity must be looked upon as one integrated existence – and move collectively towards the all-round perfection of human life. All actions are bound to confront obstacles. It has to be borne in mind that the nobler the task, the mightier the obstacle. For human emancipation, there is no other way but to march ahead crushing the towering peaks of obstacles with a benevolent intellect and collective endeavour. Hence I reiterate, go ahead with courage and unity. You have to move on ensuring real justice to all individuals and all geographical people."
Note: The above is one of Baba’s original Ananda Vaniis. These original and true Ananda Vaniis are unique, eternal guidelines that stand as complete discourses in and of themselves. They are unlike Fake Ananda Vaniis which are fabricated by most of the groups - H, B etc.
== Section 4 ==
Links
Elevated vs lowly
Be careful about your cravings
Move on ensuring real justice to all individuals
and all geographical people - Ananda Vanii #56
and all geographical people - Ananda Vanii #56
"The entire humanity must be looked upon as one integrated existence – and move collectively towards the all-round perfection of human life. All actions are bound to confront obstacles. It has to be borne in mind that the nobler the task, the mightier the obstacle. For human emancipation, there is no other way but to march ahead crushing the towering peaks of obstacles with a benevolent intellect and collective endeavour. Hence I reiterate, go ahead with courage and unity. You have to move on ensuring real justice to all individuals and all geographical people."
Note: The above is one of Baba’s original Ananda Vaniis. These original and true Ananda Vaniis are unique, eternal guidelines that stand as complete discourses in and of themselves. They are unlike Fake Ananda Vaniis which are fabricated by most of the groups - H, B etc.
== Section 4 ==
Links
Elevated vs lowly
Be careful about your cravings
